Scattermoe LoRA optimizations (#3513)

* optimize moe + lora

* more scattermoe optims

* selective dequant

* add correctness unit tests and benchmarks for scattermoe + lora

* handle base+lora split kernel for older moe models

* chore: lint

* fix casting for H200 and B200

* register pressure estimation and pruning for h200/b200

* use soft limit for pruning

* qkv patch for qwen3.5moe

* support text_model for qwen3.5 moe

* nesting of qwen3

* use udpated cce with zero3 support

* Fix decomposed backward for QKV and O projections

eliminates B @ A materialization in LoRA attention backward, replacing full [out, in] matmuls with two small [T, R] matmuls.

benchmarks/bench_scattermoe_lora.py

@@ -0,0 +1,284 @@
+"""Benchmark for ScatterMoE LoRA Triton kernels.
+
+Measures forward, backward dX, and backward dA/dB kernels at common MoE
+model shapes. Reports per-kernel timings, LoRA overhead vs base scatter2scatter,
+and full fwd+bwd autograd throughput.
+
+Usage:
+  CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES=0 python benchmarks/bench_scattermoe_lora.py
+  CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES=0 python benchmarks/bench_scattermoe_lora.py --ranks 16 64
+  CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES=0 python benchmarks/bench_scattermoe_lora.py --models Qwen/Qwen3.5-35B-A3B
+"""
+
+import argparse
+import gc
+import time
+from functools import partial
+
+import torch
+
+from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.kernels import (
+    lora_ops,
+    ops as base_ops,
+)
+from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.parallel_experts import (
+    flatten_sort_count,
+)
+from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.parallel_linear_lora import (
+    ScatterMoELoRA,
+)
+
+DEVICE = "cuda"
+DTYPE = torch.bfloat16
+WARMUP = 5
+ITERS = 20
+
+# ─── Model configs ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+BUILTIN_CONFIGS = {
+    "Qwen3.5-35B-A3B": (256, 2048, 512, 8),  # E, H, I, k
+    "Qwen3-30B-A3B": (128, 2048, 768, 8),
+    "OLMoE-1B-7B": (64, 2048, 1024, 8),
+    "Mixtral-8x7B": (8, 4096, 14336, 2),
+}
+
+
+def _resolve_config(spec):
+    """Resolve a model spec to (E, H, I, k). Accepts builtin names or HF IDs."""
+    key = spec.lower().replace("/", "-")
+    for name, cfg in BUILTIN_CONFIGS.items():
+        if key in name.lower() or name.lower() in key:
+            return name, cfg
+
+    from transformers import AutoConfig
+
+    hf_cfg = AutoConfig.from_pretrained(spec, trust_remote_code=True)
+    if callable(getattr(hf_cfg, "get_text_config", None)):
+        tc = hf_cfg.get_text_config()
+        if hasattr(tc, "model_type") and tc.model_type != hf_cfg.model_type:
+            hf_cfg = tc
+    hidden = hf_cfg.hidden_size
+    inter = getattr(hf_cfg, "moe_intermediate_size", None) or hf_cfg.intermediate_size
+    experts = (
+        getattr(hf_cfg, "num_experts", None)
+        or getattr(hf_cfg, "num_local_experts", None)
+        or getattr(hf_cfg, "n_routed_experts", None)
+    )
+    top_k = (
+        getattr(hf_cfg, "num_experts_per_tok", None)
+        or getattr(hf_cfg, "num_experts_per_token", None)
+        or 2
+    )
+    name = spec.split("/")[-1]
+    return name, (experts, hidden, inter, top_k)
+
+
+# ─── Benchmark helpers ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+
+def _clean():
+    gc.collect()
+    torch.cuda.empty_cache()
+    torch.cuda.synchronize()
+
+
+def _bench(fn, warmup=WARMUP, iters=ITERS):
+    for _ in range(warmup):
+        fn()
+    torch.cuda.synchronize()
+    times = []
+    for _ in range(iters):
+        torch.cuda.synchronize()
+        t0 = time.perf_counter()
+        fn()
+        torch.cuda.synchronize()
+        times.append((time.perf_counter() - t0) * 1000)
+    times.sort()
+    return times[len(times) // 2]
+
+
+def _setup(num_experts, K, N, T, top_k, R):
+    torch.manual_seed(42)
+    x = torch.randn(T, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+    W = torch.randn(num_experts, K, N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE) * 0.02
+    lora_A = torch.randn(R * num_experts, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE) * 0.01
+    lora_B = torch.randn(N, R * num_experts, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE) * 0.01
+    logits = torch.randn(T, num_experts, device=DEVICE)
+    _, top_idx = torch.topk(torch.softmax(logits, dim=-1), top_k, dim=-1)
+    sei, ssi, eo = flatten_sort_count(top_idx, num_experts)
+    gx = base_ops.group(x, ssi, fan_out=top_k)
+    dy = torch.randn(gx.size(0), N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+    return x, W, lora_A, lora_B, sei, ssi, eo, gx, dy
+
+
+# ─── Kernel wrappers (avoid B023 loop-variable capture) ──────────────────────
+
+
+def _call_fwd(x, W, sei, ssi, top_k, lA, lB):
+    return lora_ops.scatter2scatter_lora(
+        X=x,
+        W=W,
+        sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+        sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+        k=top_k,
+        lora_A=lA,
+        lora_B=lB,
+        scaling=2.0,
+    )
+
+
+def _call_base(x, W, sei, ssi, top_k):
+    return base_ops.scatter2scatter(
+        X=x,
+        W=W,
+        sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+        sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+        k=top_k,
+    )
+
+
+def _call_dx(dy, W, sei, ssi, lA, lB):
+    return lora_ops.scatter2scatter_lora_dX(
+        DY=dy,
+        W=W,
+        sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+        sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+        k=1,
+        lora_A=lA,
+        lora_B=lB,
+        scaling=2.0,
+        dy_grouped=True,
+        dx_grouped=False,
+    )
+
+
+def _call_bwd(dy, gx, lA, lB, eo, num_experts):
+    return lora_ops.group_bwd_lora(
+        DY=dy,
+        X=gx,
+        lora_A=lA,
+        lora_B=lB,
+        expert_offsets=eo,
+        E=num_experts,
+        scaling=2.0,
+    )
+
+
+# ─── Main ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+
+def main():
+    parser = argparse.ArgumentParser(description="ScatterMoE LoRA kernel benchmark")
+    parser.add_argument(
+        "--models",
+        "-m",
+        nargs="+",
+        help="Model names or HF IDs (default: all builtins)",
+    )
+    parser.add_argument("--ranks", "-r", nargs="+", type=int, default=[16, 32, 64])
+    parser.add_argument("--seq-len", "-T", type=int, default=2048)
+    args = parser.parse_args()
+
+    T = args.seq_len
+    print(f"GPU: {torch.cuda.get_device_name()}")
+    print(f"T={T}, ranks={args.ranks}\n")
+
+    if args.models:
+        configs = [_resolve_config(m) for m in args.models]
+    else:
+        configs = list(BUILTIN_CONFIGS.items())
+
+    for model_name, (num_experts, hidden, inter, top_k) in configs:
+        print(f"{'=' * 70}")
+        print(f"  {model_name}: E={num_experts}, H={hidden}, I={inter}, k={top_k}")
+        print(f"{'=' * 70}")
+
+        for R in args.ranks:
+            for proj, K, N in [("gate_up", hidden, 2 * inter), ("down", inter, hidden)]:
+                _clean()
+                x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo, gx, dy = _setup(
+                    num_experts, K, N, T, top_k, R
+                )
+
+                # Forward with LoRA (auto-dispatched: fused or split)
+                dispatch = (
+                    "split"
+                    if (
+                        num_experts <= lora_ops._SPLIT_LORA_FWD_MAX_EXPERTS
+                        and K * N >= lora_ops._SPLIT_LORA_FWD_THRESHOLD
+                    )
+                    else "fused"
+                )
+                t_fwd = _bench(partial(_call_fwd, x, W, sei, ssi, top_k, lA, lB))
+                t_base = _bench(partial(_call_base, x, W, sei, ssi, top_k))
+                t_dx = _bench(partial(_call_dx, dy, W, sei, ssi, lA, lB))
+                t_bwd = _bench(partial(_call_bwd, dy, gx, lA, lB, eo, num_experts))
+
+                total = t_fwd + t_dx + t_bwd
+                overhead = t_fwd / t_base - 1 if t_base > 0 else 0
+
+                print(
+                    f"  R={R:>2} {proj:<8}  "
+                    f"fwd={t_fwd:>6.2f}ms [{dispatch}]  "
+                    f"base={t_base:>6.2f}ms "
+                    f"(+{overhead * 100:.0f}%)  "
+                    f"dx={t_dx:>6.2f}ms  bwd={t_bwd:>6.2f}ms  "
+                    f"total={total:>6.2f}ms"
+                )
+
+                # Full autograd fwd+bwd with memory measurement
+                x_ag = x.clone().requires_grad_(True)
+                lA_ag = lA.clone().requires_grad_(True)
+                lB_ag = lB.clone().requires_grad_(True)
+
+                def _run_autograd(
+                    _x=x_ag,
+                    _W=W,
+                    _k=top_k,
+                    _sei=sei,
+                    _ssi=ssi,
+                    _eo=eo,
+                    _lA=lA_ag,
+                    _lB=lB_ag,
+                ):
+                    out = ScatterMoELoRA.apply(
+                        _x,
+                        _W,
+                        _k,
+                        _sei,
+                        _ssi,
+                        _eo,
+                        _lA,
+                        _lB,
+                        2.0,
+                        None,
+                        None,
+                        False,
+                        False,
+                        True,
+                        False,
+                    )
+                    out.sum().backward()
+                    _x.grad = None
+                    _lA.grad = None
+                    _lB.grad = None
+
+                t_full = _bench(_run_autograd)
+
+                _clean()
+                torch.cuda.reset_peak_memory_stats()
+                mem_before = torch.cuda.memory_allocated()
+                _run_autograd()
+                torch.cuda.synchronize()
+                mem_peak = torch.cuda.max_memory_allocated() - mem_before
+
+                print(
+                    f"         full_fwd_bwd={t_full:>6.2f}ms  "
+                    f"peak_delta={mem_peak / 1e6:>6.1f}MB"
+                )
+
+        print()
+
+
+if __name__ == "__main__":
+    main()

examples/colab-notebooks/colab-axolotl-example.ipynb

@@ -40,7 +40,7 @@
     "%%capture\n",
     "# This step can take ~5-10 minutes to install dependencies\n",
     "!pip install --no-build-isolation axolotl[flash-attn]>=0.9.1\n",
-    "!pip install \"cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@fa9a7fe\""
+    "!pip install \"cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@63b15e6\""
    ]
   },
   {

scripts/cutcrossentropy_install.py

@@ -29,5 +29,5 @@ UV_PREFIX = "uv " if USE_UV else ""
 
 print(
     UNINSTALL_PREFIX
-    + f'{UV_PREFIX}pip install "cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@fa9a7fe"'
+    + f'{UV_PREFIX}pip install "cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@63b15e6"'
 )

src/axolotl/integrations/cut_cross_entropy/README.md

@@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ python scripts/cutcrossentropy_install.py | sh
 
 - If you are installing from pip
 ```bash
-pip3 uninstall -y cut-cross-entropy && pip3 install "cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@fa9a7fe"
+pip3 uninstall -y cut-cross-entropy && pip3 install "cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@63b15e6"
 ```
 
 ## Usage

src/axolotl/integrations/cut_cross_entropy/__init__.py

@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ LOG = get_logger(__name__)
 
 _CCE_INSTALL_MESSAGE = (
     "Please install Axolotl's fork of cut_cross_entropy with transformers support using "
-    '`pip install "cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@fa9a7fe"`'
+    '`pip install "cut-cross-entropy[transformers] @ git+https://github.com/axolotl-ai-cloud/ml-cross-entropy.git@63b15e6"`'
 )
 
 

src/axolotl/integrations/kernels/libs/scattermoe_lora/kernels/lora_ops.py

@@ -195,6 +195,36 @@ def _estimate_smem_usage(
 _SMEM_SLACK = 10_000
 
 
+def _estimate_register_pressure(
+    num_warps: int,
+    *tile_sizes: tuple[int, int],
+) -> float:
+    """Rough estimate of per-thread register footprint from live tile sizes.
+
+    This is a heuristic, NOT an accurate register count.  Triton uses tensor
+    core MMA fragments that pack multiple elements per register, and can spill
+    to local memory when the hardware limit (255 regs/thread) is exceeded.
+
+    The estimate is used to prune only truly extreme configs that would cause
+    excessive spilling or compilation failures.  The threshold is set high
+    (``_MAX_REGS_SOFT_LIMIT``) because the heuristic overestimates — it
+    doesn't account for MMA fragment packing.  Configs like M=64,N=64,K=64
+    (est ~520) work fine in practice via spilling.
+
+    Returns estimated registers per thread.
+    """
+    # Each thread in a warp holds ~1/32 of the tile elements
+    tile_regs = sum(r * c for r, c in tile_sizes) / 32
+    scalar_overhead = 40
+    return tile_regs + scalar_overhead
+
+
+# Soft limit for register pressure pruning.  Only prune configs with extreme
+# tile products (e.g. M=128,K=256,N=256) that reliably crash on Blackwell.
+# Moderate configs (M=64,N=64,K=64, est ~520) work via register spilling.
+_MAX_REGS_SOFT_LIMIT = 1024
+
+
 # =============================================================================
 # Forward Kernel: scatter2scatter with fused LoRA
 # =============================================================================
@@ -313,12 +343,11 @@ def _compute_expert_block_lora(
         B_blk_ptrs, mask=N_mask[:, None] & R_mask[None, :], other=0.0
     )  # [BLOCK_N, BLOCK_R]
 
-    # Cast xa_acc and b to same dtype for tl.dot (required when input is bf16/fp16)
+    # tl.dot requires non-float32 inputs (tensor cores); cast back to input dtype
-    # Both operands must match; cast to float32 (accumulator type) for precision.
+    b_inp = b.to(INPUT_DTYPE)
-    b_f32 = b.to(tl.float32)
 
     # (X @ A^T) @ B^T: [M, R] @ [R, N] -> [M, N]
-    lora_out = tl.dot(xa_acc, tl.trans(b_f32), allow_tf32=allow_tf32)
+    lora_out = tl.dot(xa_acc.to(INPUT_DTYPE), tl.trans(b_inp), allow_tf32=allow_tf32)
 
     acc += scaling * lora_out
     return acc
@@ -327,20 +356,21 @@ def _compute_expert_block_lora(
 def _scatter2scatter_lora_configs():
     """Generate forward kernel autotune configs.
 
-    Search space includes smaller tile sizes and fewer pipeline stages to
+    Search space includes BLOCK_M to allow trading token-tile size for
-    support GPUs with limited shared memory (e.g. ~99KB on some GPUs).
+    larger BLOCK_K/BLOCK_N tiles.  On GPUs with ~99KB SMEM, BLOCK_M=128
+    forces BLOCK_K=32 and BLOCK_N=32; BLOCK_M=64 allows BLOCK_K=128
+    (4× fewer inner-loop iterations).
 
     Search space:
+      BLOCK_M:    {32, 64, 128}
       BLOCK_N:    {32, 64, 128, 256}
       BLOCK_K:    {32, 64, 128}
       num_warps:  {4, 8}
       num_stages: {3, 4, 5}
-
-    BLOCK_M is fixed at 128 (module-level constant, not autotuned in the
-    scatter2scatter pattern).
     """
     configs = []
-    for block_n, block_k, warps, stages in product(
+    for block_m, block_n, block_k, warps, stages in product(
+        [32, 64, 128],  # BLOCK_M
         [32, 64, 128, 256],  # BLOCK_N
         [32, 64, 128],  # BLOCK_K
         [4, 8],  # num_warps
@@ -348,7 +378,7 @@ def _scatter2scatter_lora_configs():
     ):
         configs.append(
             triton.Config(
-                {"BLOCK_N": block_n, "BLOCK_K": block_k},
+                {"BLOCK_M": block_m, "BLOCK_N": block_n, "BLOCK_K": block_k},
                 num_stages=stages,
                 num_warps=warps,
             )
@@ -357,7 +387,7 @@ def _scatter2scatter_lora_configs():
 
 
 def _prune_fwd_configs(configs, named_args, **kwargs):
-    """Prune forward configs based on SMEM capacity.
+    """Prune forward configs based on SMEM capacity and register pressure.
 
     The forward kernel inner loop loads three tiles per pipeline stage:
       X[BLOCK_M, BLOCK_K], W[BLOCK_K, BLOCK_N], A[BLOCK_R, BLOCK_K].
@@ -373,23 +403,49 @@ def _prune_fwd_configs(configs, named_args, **kwargs):
 
     scored = []
     for config in configs:
+        block_m = config.kwargs["BLOCK_M"]
         block_n = config.kwargs["BLOCK_N"]
         block_k = config.kwargs["BLOCK_K"]
         # Base: stages * BLOCK_K * (BLOCK_M + BLOCK_N) + BLOCK_M * BLOCK_N
-        smem_base = _estimate_smem_usage(config.num_stages, BLOCK_M, block_n, block_k)
+        smem_base = _estimate_smem_usage(config.num_stages, block_m, block_n, block_k)
         # A tile [BLOCK_R, BLOCK_K] loaded per stage in the inner loop
         smem_lora_loop = config.num_stages * block_r * block_k * 2
         # B tile [BLOCK_N, BLOCK_R] loaded once in epilogue
         smem_lora_epilogue = block_n * block_r * 2
         smem = smem_base + smem_lora_loop + smem_lora_epilogue
+
+        # Register pressure: live tiles are acc[M,N], xa_acc[M,R],
+        # x[M,K], w[K,N], a[R,K], plus epilogue b[N,R]
+        est_regs = _estimate_register_pressure(
+            config.num_warps,
+            (block_m, block_n),  # acc
+            (block_m, block_r),  # xa_acc
+            (block_m, block_k),  # x tile
+            (block_k, block_n),  # w tile
+            (block_r, block_k),  # a tile
+            (block_n, block_r),  # b tile (epilogue)
+        )
+        if est_regs > _MAX_REGS_SOFT_LIMIT:
+            continue
+
         scored.append((smem, config))
 
     pruned = [c for s, c in scored if s <= smem_cap - _SMEM_SLACK]
     if pruned:
         return pruned
-    # All configs exceed SMEM — return the one with smallest estimated usage
+    if scored:
-    scored.sort(key=lambda x: x[0])
+        # All surviving configs exceed SMEM — return the one with smallest usage
-    return [scored[0][1]]
+        scored.sort(key=lambda x: x[0])
+        return [scored[0][1]]
+    # All configs pruned by register pressure — fall back to smallest tiles
+    return [
+        min(
+            configs,
+            key=lambda c: (
+                c.kwargs["BLOCK_M"] * c.kwargs["BLOCK_N"] * c.kwargs["BLOCK_K"]
+            ),
+        )
+    ]
 
 
 @triton.autotune(
@@ -531,6 +587,89 @@ def _scatter2scatter_lora(
     tl.store(Y_blk_ptrs, acc, mask=M_boundary_mask[:, None] & N_mask[None, :])
 
 
+def _scatter2scatter_lora_split(
+    X: torch.Tensor,
+    W: torch.Tensor,
+    sorted_expert_idxs: torch.Tensor,
+    sorted_scattered_idxs: torch.Tensor,
+    k: int,
+    lora_A: torch.Tensor,
+    lora_B: torch.Tensor,
+    scaling: float,
+    b: Optional[torch.Tensor] = None,
+    x_grouped: bool = False,
+    y_grouped: bool = False,
+    out: Optional[torch.Tensor] = None,
+) -> torch.Tensor:
+    """Split base+LoRA forward: 3 scatter2scatter calls, no fused LoRA kernel.
+
+    Faster for models with few large experts (e.g. Mixtral E=8, I=14336)
+    because the base kernel runs at full speed without LoRA SMEM overhead,
+    and the LoRA matmuls (R=16) are tiny separate passes.
+
+    Y = scatter(X, W) + scaling * scatter(scatter(X, A^T), B^T)
+    """
+    from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.kernels.ops import (
+        scatter2scatter,
+    )
+
+    E = W.size(0)
+    R = lora_A.size(0) // E
+    K = W.size(1)
+    N = W.size(2)
+
+    # 1. Base: Y_base = X @ W  (uses base kernel with optimal tile sizes)
+    output = scatter2scatter(
+        X=X,
+        W=W,
+        b=b,
+        sorted_expert_idxs=sorted_expert_idxs,
+        sorted_scattered_idxs=sorted_scattered_idxs,
+        k=k,
+        x_grouped=x_grouped,
+        y_grouped=y_grouped,
+        out=out,
+    )
+
+    # 2. XA = X @ A^T  (tiny: output is [M*k, R])
+    # Reshape A: [R*E, K] → [E, K, R] (expert weights for scatter2scatter)
+    W_A = lora_A.reshape(E, R, K).permute(0, 2, 1).contiguous()
+    XA = scatter2scatter(
+        X=X,
+        W=W_A,
+        sorted_expert_idxs=sorted_expert_idxs,
+        sorted_scattered_idxs=sorted_scattered_idxs,
+        k=k,
+        x_grouped=x_grouped,
+        y_grouped=True,
+    )
+
+    # 3. Y_lora = XA @ B^T  (R is tiny, so this is very fast)
+    # Reshape B: [N, R*E] → [E, R, N]
+    W_B = lora_B.T.reshape(E, R, N).contiguous()
+    Y_lora = scatter2scatter(
+        X=XA,
+        W=W_B,
+        sorted_expert_idxs=sorted_expert_idxs,
+        sorted_scattered_idxs=sorted_scattered_idxs,
+        k=1,
+        x_grouped=True,
+        y_grouped=y_grouped,
+    )
+
+    # 4. Y = Y_base + scaling * Y_lora
+    output.add_(Y_lora, alpha=scaling)
+    return output
+
+
+# Threshold for switching from fused to split LoRA forward.
+# Split wins when per-expert matmul is large (bandwidth-bound LoRA tile
+# loads dominate in the fused kernel's inner loop).
+# Empirically: split wins for E<=32 with K*N > 20M (e.g. Mixtral, Phi-MoE).
+_SPLIT_LORA_FWD_THRESHOLD = 20_000_000  # per-expert K*N
+_SPLIT_LORA_FWD_MAX_EXPERTS = 32
+
+
 def scatter2scatter_lora(
     X: torch.Tensor,
     W: torch.Tensor,
@@ -546,7 +685,13 @@ def scatter2scatter_lora(
     out: Optional[torch.Tensor] = None,
 ) -> torch.Tensor:
     """
-    Fused scatter2scatter with LoRA: Y[i] = X[i] @ W[e] + scaling * (X[i] @ A[e]^T) @ B[e]^T + b[e]
+    Scatter2scatter with LoRA: Y[i] = X[i] @ W[e] + scaling * (X[i] @ A[e]^T) @ B[e]^T + b[e]
+
+    Automatically selects between:
+    - Fused kernel: single Triton kernel with LoRA in the inner loop.
+      Best for many small experts (E>=64, small K*N).
+    - Split dispatch: 3 separate scatter2scatter calls (base + XA + lora).
+      Best for few large experts (E<=32, large K*N like Mixtral).
 
     Args:
         X: Input [M, K] or [M*k, K] if x_grouped
@@ -565,12 +710,30 @@ def scatter2scatter_lora(
     Returns:
         Y: Output [M*k, N]
     """
-    assert sorted_scattered_idxs.size(0) == sorted_expert_idxs.size(0)
-    assert sorted_scattered_idxs.size(0) == X.size(0) * k
-
     E = W.size(0)
     K = W.size(1)
     N = W.size(2)
+
+    # Dispatch: split for few large experts, fused for many small experts
+    if E <= _SPLIT_LORA_FWD_MAX_EXPERTS and K * N >= _SPLIT_LORA_FWD_THRESHOLD:
+        return _scatter2scatter_lora_split(
+            X,
+            W,
+            sorted_expert_idxs,
+            sorted_scattered_idxs,
+            k,
+            lora_A,
+            lora_B,
+            scaling,
+            b,
+            x_grouped,
+            y_grouped,
+            out,
+        )
+
+    assert sorted_scattered_idxs.size(0) == sorted_expert_idxs.size(0)
+    assert sorted_scattered_idxs.size(0) == X.size(0) * k
+
     R = lora_A.size(0) // E
 
     # Pad R to power of 2 for Triton tile size
@@ -610,11 +773,9 @@ def scatter2scatter_lora(
         b_ptr,
         stride_be,
         stride_bn,
-        # A: [r*E, K] -> stride(0) is r*E dim stride, stride(1) is K dim stride
         lora_A,
         lora_A.stride(0),
         lora_A.stride(1),
-        # B: [N, r*E] -> stride(0) is N dim stride, stride(1) is r*E dim stride
         lora_B,
         lora_B.stride(0),
         lora_B.stride(1),
@@ -625,9 +786,8 @@ def scatter2scatter_lora(
         K=K,
         N=N,
         E=E,
-        ACTUAL_R=R,  # True LoRA rank for weight indexing
+        ACTUAL_R=R,
-        BLOCK_M=BLOCK_M,
+        BLOCK_R=BLOCK_R,
-        BLOCK_R=BLOCK_R,  # Padded tile size >= max(R, 16)
         ACC_TYPE=tl.float32,
         scaling=scaling,
         allow_tf32=ALLOW_TF32,
@@ -761,13 +921,13 @@ def _compute_expert_block_lora_dX(
         + (A_expert_offset + R_block)[:, None] * stride_ar
         + K_block[None, :] * stride_ak
     )
-    a_e = tl.load(A_blk_ptrs, mask=R_mask[:, None] & K_mask[None, :], other=0.0)
+    a_e = tl.load(A_blk_ptrs, mask=R_mask[:, None] & K_mask[None, :], other=0.0).to(
-
+        INPUT_DTYPE
-    # Cast to float32 for precision
+    )
-    a_f32 = a_e.to(tl.float32)
 
     # (DY @ B) @ A: [M, R] @ [R, K] -> [M, K]
-    lora_dx = tl.dot(dy_b_acc, a_f32, allow_tf32=allow_tf32)
+    # tl.dot requires non-float32 inputs (tensor cores); cast accumulator back to input dtype
+    lora_dx = tl.dot(dy_b_acc.to(INPUT_DTYPE), a_e, allow_tf32=allow_tf32)
 
     acc += scaling * lora_dx
     return acc
@@ -779,17 +939,18 @@ def _scatter2scatter_lora_dX_configs():
     The inner loop is over N (not K as in forward). The output dimension is K.
     So BLOCK_K tiles the output and BLOCK_N tiles the reduction.
 
-    Search space includes smaller tile sizes and fewer pipeline stages to
+    BLOCK_M is now autotunable (was fixed at 128).
-    support GPUs with limited shared memory (e.g. ~99KB on some GPUs).
 
     Search space:
+      BLOCK_M:    {32, 64, 128}        (token tile)
       BLOCK_K:    {32, 64, 128, 256}   (output tile)
       BLOCK_N:    {32, 64, 128, 256}   (reduction tile)
       num_warps:  {4, 8}
       num_stages: {3, 4, 5}
     """
     configs = []
-    for block_k, block_n, warps, stages in product(
+    for block_m, block_k, block_n, warps, stages in product(
+        [32, 64, 128],  # BLOCK_M
         [32, 64, 128, 256],  # BLOCK_K (output dimension)
         [32, 64, 128, 256],  # BLOCK_N (reduction dimension)
         [4, 8],  # num_warps
@@ -797,7 +958,7 @@ def _scatter2scatter_lora_dX_configs():
     ):
         configs.append(
             triton.Config(
-                {"BLOCK_K": block_k, "BLOCK_N": block_n},
+                {"BLOCK_M": block_m, "BLOCK_K": block_k, "BLOCK_N": block_n},
                 num_stages=stages,
                 num_warps=warps,
             )
@@ -806,7 +967,7 @@ def _scatter2scatter_lora_dX_configs():
 
 
 def _prune_dX_configs(configs, named_args, **kwargs):
-    """Prune backward dX configs based on SMEM capacity.
+    """Prune backward dX configs based on SMEM capacity and register pressure.
 
     The dX kernel inner loop loads three tiles per pipeline stage:
       DY[BLOCK_M, BLOCK_N], W^T[BLOCK_N, BLOCK_K], B[BLOCK_N, BLOCK_R].
@@ -822,23 +983,49 @@ def _prune_dX_configs(configs, named_args, **kwargs):
 
     scored = []
     for config in configs:
+        block_m = config.kwargs["BLOCK_M"]
         block_k = config.kwargs["BLOCK_K"]
         block_n = config.kwargs["BLOCK_N"]
         # Base: stages * BLOCK_N * (BLOCK_M + BLOCK_K) + BLOCK_M * BLOCK_K
-        smem_base = _estimate_smem_usage(config.num_stages, BLOCK_M, block_k, block_n)
+        smem_base = _estimate_smem_usage(config.num_stages, block_m, block_k, block_n)
         # B tile [BLOCK_N, BLOCK_R] loaded per stage in the inner loop
         smem_lora_loop = config.num_stages * block_n * block_r * 2
         # A tile [BLOCK_R, BLOCK_K] loaded once in epilogue
         smem_lora_epilogue = block_r * block_k * 2
         smem = smem_base + smem_lora_loop + smem_lora_epilogue
+
+        # Register pressure: live tiles are acc[M,K], dy_b_acc[M,R],
+        # dy[M,N], wt[N,K], b[N,R], plus epilogue a[R,K]
+        est_regs = _estimate_register_pressure(
+            config.num_warps,
+            (block_m, block_k),  # acc
+            (block_m, block_r),  # dy_b_acc
+            (block_m, block_n),  # dy tile
+            (block_n, block_k),  # wt tile
+            (block_n, block_r),  # b tile
+            (block_r, block_k),  # a tile (epilogue)
+        )
+        if est_regs > _MAX_REGS_SOFT_LIMIT:
+            continue
+
         scored.append((smem, config))
 
     pruned = [c for s, c in scored if s <= smem_cap - _SMEM_SLACK]
     if pruned:
         return pruned
-    # All configs exceed SMEM — return the one with smallest estimated usage
+    if scored:
-    scored.sort(key=lambda x: x[0])
+        # All surviving configs exceed SMEM — return the one with smallest usage
-    return [scored[0][1]]
+        scored.sort(key=lambda x: x[0])
+        return [scored[0][1]]
+    # All configs pruned by register pressure — fall back to smallest tiles
+    return [
+        min(
+            configs,
+            key=lambda c: (
+                c.kwargs["BLOCK_M"] * c.kwargs["BLOCK_K"] * c.kwargs["BLOCK_N"]
+            ),
+        )
+    ]
 
 
 @triton.autotune(
@@ -1067,7 +1254,7 @@ def scatter2scatter_lora_dX(
         N=N,
         E=E,
         ACTUAL_R=R,
-        BLOCK_M=BLOCK_M,
+        # BLOCK_M is autotuned (injected by triton.autotune from Config kwargs)
         BLOCK_R=BLOCK_R,
         ACC_TYPE=tl.float32,
         scaling=scaling,
@@ -1119,7 +1306,7 @@ def _group_bwd_lora_configs():
 
 
 def _prune_bwd_lora_configs(configs, named_args, **kwargs):
-    """Prune backward configs based on SMEM capacity.
+    """Prune backward configs based on SMEM capacity and register pressure.
 
     The backward kernel loads X[BLOCK_M, BLOCK_K] and DY[BLOCK_M, BLOCK_N]
     in the inner loop, plus holds A[BLOCK_R, BLOCK_K] and B[BLOCK_N, BLOCK_R]
@@ -1138,14 +1325,40 @@ def _prune_bwd_lora_configs(configs, named_args, **kwargs):
         # A[BLOCK_R, BLOCK_K] and B[BLOCK_N, BLOCK_R] held for the full expert
         smem_lora = (block_r * block_k + block_n * block_r) * 2
         smem = smem_base + smem_lora
+
+        # Register pressure: dA_acc[R,K], dB_acc[N,R], x[M,K], dy[M,N],
+        # a[R,K], b[N,R], xa[M,R], dy_b[M,R]
+        est_regs = _estimate_register_pressure(
+            config.num_warps,
+            (block_r, block_k),  # dA_acc
+            (block_n, block_r),  # dB_acc
+            (block_m, block_k),  # x tile
+            (block_m, block_n),  # dy tile
+            (block_r, block_k),  # a tile
+            (block_n, block_r),  # b tile
+            (block_m, block_r),  # xa intermediate
+        )
+        if est_regs > _MAX_REGS_SOFT_LIMIT:
+            continue
+
         scored.append((smem, config))
 
     pruned = [c for s, c in scored if s <= smem_cap - _SMEM_SLACK]
     if pruned:
         return pruned
-    # All configs exceed SMEM — return the one with smallest estimated usage
+    if scored:
-    scored.sort(key=lambda x: x[0])
+        # All surviving configs exceed SMEM — return the one with smallest usage
-    return [scored[0][1]]
+        scored.sort(key=lambda x: x[0])
+        return [scored[0][1]]
+    # All configs pruned by register pressure — fall back to smallest tiles
+    return [
+        min(
+            configs,
+            key=lambda c: (
+                c.kwargs["BLOCK_M"] * c.kwargs["BLOCK_K"] * c.kwargs["BLOCK_N"]
+            ),
+        )
+    ]
 
 
 @triton.autotune(
@@ -1330,6 +1543,279 @@ def _group_bwd_lora(
         )
 
 
+def _group_bwd_split_configs():
+    """Autotune configs for split dA/dB kernels."""
+    configs = []
+    for block_m, block_dim, warps, stages in product(
+        [32, 64, 128],  # BLOCK_M (token tile)
+        [32, 64, 128, 256],  # BLOCK_DIM (K for dA, N for dB — output tile)
+        [4, 8],  # num_warps
+        [3, 4, 5],  # num_stages
+    ):
+        configs.append(
+            triton.Config(
+                {"BLOCK_M": block_m, "BLOCK_DIM": block_dim},
+                num_stages=stages,
+                num_warps=warps,
+            )
+        )
+    return configs
+
+
+def _prune_split_configs(configs, named_args, **kwargs):
+    """Prune split kernel configs based on SMEM capacity and register pressure."""
+    smem_cap = _get_smem_capacity()
+    block_r = named_args.get("BLOCK_R", 64)
+
+    # Fixed inner tile for reduction dimension
+    BLOCK_INNER = 64
+
+    pruned = []
+    for config in configs:
+        block_m = config.kwargs["BLOCK_M"]
+        block_dim = config.kwargs["BLOCK_DIM"]
+        # Inner loop loads: input[M, INNER] and other[M, INNER_or_DIM]
+        smem = config.num_stages * BLOCK_INNER * (block_m + block_dim) * 2
+        # LoRA weights held in registers: [INNER, R] or [R, DIM]
+        smem += (block_r * max(block_dim, BLOCK_INNER)) * 2
+
+        # Register pressure check
+        est_regs = _estimate_register_pressure(
+            config.num_warps,
+            (block_r, block_dim),  # acc
+            (block_m, BLOCK_INNER),  # input tile
+            (block_m, block_dim),  # other tile
+            (block_r, BLOCK_INNER),  # lora weight
+        )
+        if est_regs > _MAX_REGS_SOFT_LIMIT:
+            continue
+
+        if smem <= smem_cap - _SMEM_SLACK:
+            pruned.append(config)
+
+    if pruned:
+        return pruned
+    configs.sort(key=lambda c: c.kwargs["BLOCK_M"] * c.kwargs["BLOCK_DIM"])
+    return [configs[0]]
+
+
+@triton.autotune(
+    configs=_group_bwd_split_configs(),
+    key=["M", "K", "N"],
+    prune_configs_by={"early_config_prune": _prune_split_configs},
+)
+@triton.heuristics(
+    {
+        "NO_DIM_MASK": lambda args: (
+            (args["K"] % args["BLOCK_DIM"]) == 0
+            if args["COMPUTE_DA"]
+            else (args["N"] % args["BLOCK_DIM"]) == 0
+        ),
+    }
+)
+@triton.jit
+def _group_bwd_lora_split(
+    # Data tensors (DY and X are always present)
+    DY_ptr,
+    stride_dym,
+    stride_dyn,
+    X_ptr,
+    stride_xm,
+    stride_xk,
+    # LoRA weight for the inner reduction (B for dA, A for dB)
+    LW_ptr,
+    stride_lw0,
+    stride_lw1,
+    # Output gradient tensor (dA or dB)
+    OUT_ptr,
+    stride_out0,
+    stride_out1,
+    # Expert offsets
+    expert_offsets_ptr,
+    # Dimensions
+    M,
+    K: tl.constexpr,
+    N: tl.constexpr,
+    ACTUAL_R: tl.constexpr,
+    BLOCK_R: tl.constexpr,
+    INNER_DIM: tl.constexpr,  # reduction dimension (N for dA, K for dB)
+    scaling,
+    # Mode flag
+    COMPUTE_DA: tl.constexpr,  # True = compute dA, False = compute dB
+    # Tile sizes
+    BLOCK_M: tl.constexpr,
+    BLOCK_DIM: tl.constexpr,
+    ACC_TYPE: tl.constexpr,
+    allow_tf32: tl.constexpr,
+    NO_DIM_MASK: tl.constexpr,
+):
+    """
+    Unified split kernel for LoRA gradient computation.
+
+    When COMPUTE_DA=True:
+      dA[e] = scaling * (dY @ B[e])^T @ X  →  [R, K]
+      Grid: (E, cdiv(K, BLOCK_DIM))
+      - outer_ptr/stride = X (read [M, K_block])
+      - inner reduction over N using DY and B
+      - output shape [BLOCK_R, BLOCK_DIM]
+
+    When COMPUTE_DA=False:
+      dB[e] = scaling * dY^T @ (X @ A[e]^T)  →  [N, R]
+      Grid: (E, cdiv(N, BLOCK_DIM))
+      - outer_ptr/stride = DY (read [M, N_block])
+      - inner reduction over K using X and A
+      - output shape [BLOCK_DIM, BLOCK_R]
+
+    No atomic adds — each (E, dim_block) pair is written by exactly one block.
+    """
+    E_idx = tl.program_id(0)
+    dim_block_id = tl.program_id(1)
+
+    if E_idx == 0:
+        start_idx = 0
+    else:
+        start_idx = tl.load(expert_offsets_ptr + E_idx - 1).to(tl.int32)
+    end_idx = tl.load(expert_offsets_ptr + E_idx).to(tl.int32)
+    num_tokens = end_idx - start_idx
+
+    # Output dimension tile (K for dA, N for dB)
+    if COMPUTE_DA:
+        OUT_DIM: tl.constexpr = K  # type: ignore[no-redef]
+    else:
+        OUT_DIM: tl.constexpr = N  # type: ignore[no-redef]
+    dim_block = dim_block_id * BLOCK_DIM + tl.arange(0, BLOCK_DIM)
+    dim_mask = dim_block < OUT_DIM
+    R_block = tl.arange(0, BLOCK_R)
+    R_mask = R_block < ACTUAL_R
+    lora_offset = E_idx * ACTUAL_R
+
+    # Output pointers — layout differs: dA is [R, K], dB is [N, R]
+    if COMPUTE_DA:
+        out_blk_ptrs = (
+            OUT_ptr
+            + (lora_offset + R_block)[:, None] * stride_out0
+            + dim_block[None, :] * stride_out1
+        )
+        out_mask = R_mask[:, None] & dim_mask[None, :]
+    else:
+        out_blk_ptrs = (
+            OUT_ptr
+            + dim_block[:, None] * stride_out0
+            + (lora_offset + R_block)[None, :] * stride_out1
+        )
+        out_mask = dim_mask[:, None] & R_mask[None, :]
+
+    if num_tokens > 0:
+        M_block = tl.arange(0, BLOCK_M)
+        INPUT_DTYPE = X_ptr.dtype.element_ty
+        BLOCK_INNER: tl.constexpr = 64
+        inner_iters = tl.cdiv(INNER_DIM, BLOCK_INNER)
+
+        if COMPUTE_DA:
+            acc = tl.zeros((BLOCK_R, BLOCK_DIM), dtype=ACC_TYPE)
+        else:
+            acc = tl.zeros((BLOCK_DIM, BLOCK_R), dtype=ACC_TYPE)
+
+        M_iters = tl.cdiv(num_tokens, BLOCK_M)
+        for i in range(M_iters):
+            M_idx = start_idx + i * BLOCK_M + M_block
+            M_mask = M_idx < end_idx
+
+            if COMPUTE_DA:
+                # Load X[M, K_block] (the "outer" tensor for dA)
+                outer = tl.load(
+                    X_ptr + M_idx[:, None] * stride_xm + dim_block[None, :] * stride_xk,
+                    mask=M_mask[:, None] & dim_mask[None, :],
+                    other=0.0,
+                ).to(INPUT_DTYPE)
+
+                # Reduce DY[M, :] @ B[e][:, R] over N → [M, R]
+                reduced = tl.zeros((BLOCK_M, BLOCK_R), dtype=ACC_TYPE)
+                inner_range = tl.arange(0, BLOCK_INNER)
+                for j in range(inner_iters):
+                    inn_off = j * BLOCK_INNER + inner_range
+                    inn_mask = inn_off < N
+
+                    dy_tile = tl.load(
+                        DY_ptr
+                        + M_idx[:, None] * stride_dym
+                        + inn_off[None, :] * stride_dyn,
+                        mask=M_mask[:, None] & inn_mask[None, :],
+                        other=0.0,
+                    ).to(INPUT_DTYPE)
+                    # B layout: [N, r*E] → stride_lw0=N stride, stride_lw1=r*E stride
+                    lw_tile = tl.load(
+                        LW_ptr
+                        + inn_off[:, None] * stride_lw0
+                        + (lora_offset + R_block)[None, :] * stride_lw1,
+                        mask=inn_mask[:, None] & R_mask[None, :],
+                        other=0.0,
+                    ).to(INPUT_DTYPE)
+                    reduced += tl.dot(dy_tile, lw_tile, allow_tf32=allow_tf32)
+
+                # dA += (DY@B)^T @ X: [R, M] @ [M, K_block] → [R, K_block]
+                acc += tl.dot(
+                    tl.trans(reduced.to(INPUT_DTYPE)), outer, allow_tf32=allow_tf32
+                )
+            else:
+                # Load DY[M, N_block] (the "outer" tensor for dB)
+                outer = tl.load(
+                    DY_ptr
+                    + M_idx[:, None] * stride_dym
+                    + dim_block[None, :] * stride_dyn,
+                    mask=M_mask[:, None] & dim_mask[None, :],
+                    other=0.0,
+                ).to(INPUT_DTYPE)
+
+                # Reduce X[M, :] @ A[e][:, :].T over K → [M, R]
+                reduced = tl.zeros((BLOCK_M, BLOCK_R), dtype=ACC_TYPE)
+                inner_range = tl.arange(0, BLOCK_INNER)
+                for j in range(inner_iters):
+                    inn_off = j * BLOCK_INNER + inner_range
+                    inn_mask = inn_off < K
+
+                    x_tile = tl.load(
+                        X_ptr
+                        + M_idx[:, None] * stride_xm
+                        + inn_off[None, :] * stride_xk,
+                        mask=M_mask[:, None] & inn_mask[None, :],
+                        other=0.0,
+                    ).to(INPUT_DTYPE)
+                    # A layout: [r*E, K] → stride_lw0=r*E stride, stride_lw1=K stride
+                    # We want A[e]^T: [K, R], so load as [K_inner, R]
+                    lw_tile = tl.load(
+                        LW_ptr
+                        + (lora_offset + R_block)[None, :] * stride_lw0
+                        + inn_off[:, None] * stride_lw1,
+                        mask=inn_mask[:, None] & R_mask[None, :],
+                        other=0.0,
+                    ).to(INPUT_DTYPE)
+                    reduced += tl.dot(x_tile, lw_tile, allow_tf32=allow_tf32)
+
+                # dB += DY^T @ (X@A^T): [N_block, M] @ [M, R] → [N_block, R]
+                acc += tl.dot(
+                    tl.trans(outer), reduced.to(INPUT_DTYPE), allow_tf32=allow_tf32
+                )
+
+        tl.store(
+            out_blk_ptrs, (acc * scaling).to(OUT_ptr.dtype.element_ty), mask=out_mask
+        )
+    else:
+        # Zero out this expert's slice — needed because output uses empty_like
+        if COMPUTE_DA:
+            tl.store(
+                out_blk_ptrs,
+                tl.zeros((BLOCK_R, BLOCK_DIM), dtype=OUT_ptr.dtype.element_ty),
+                mask=out_mask,
+            )
+        else:
+            tl.store(
+                out_blk_ptrs,
+                tl.zeros((BLOCK_DIM, BLOCK_R), dtype=OUT_ptr.dtype.element_ty),
+                mask=out_mask,
+            )
+
+
 def group_bwd_lora(
     DY: torch.Tensor,
     X: torch.Tensor,
@@ -1344,6 +1830,9 @@ def group_bwd_lora(
     """
     Compute LoRA gradients for A and B on expert-grouped data.
 
+    Uses split dA/dB kernels that eliminate atomic adds by giving each
+    (expert, output_block) pair its own thread block.
+
     Args:
         DY: Gradient w.r.t. output [M_total, N] (grouped by expert)
         X: Input [M_total, K] (grouped by expert)
@@ -1361,19 +1850,46 @@ def group_bwd_lora(
     K = X.size(1)
     N = DY.size(1)
 
-    # Zero-init for atomic accumulation
+    # No zero-init needed: the split kernels write zeros for experts with
-    dA = torch.zeros_like(lora_A)
+    # zero routed tokens directly in the kernel (else branch).
-    dB = torch.zeros_like(lora_B)
+    dA = torch.empty_like(lora_A)
+    dB = torch.empty_like(lora_B)
 
     BLOCK_R = _block_r_for_rank(R)
 
-    def grid(META):
+    def grid_dA(META):
-        return (
+        return (E, triton.cdiv(K, META["BLOCK_DIM"]))
-            E * triton.cdiv(K, META["BLOCK_K"]),
-            triton.cdiv(N, META["BLOCK_N"]),
-        )
 
-    _group_bwd_lora[grid](
+    _group_bwd_lora_split[grid_dA](
+        DY,
+        DY.stride(0),
+        DY.stride(1),
+        X,
+        X.stride(0),
+        X.stride(1),
+        lora_B,
+        lora_B.stride(0),
+        lora_B.stride(1),
+        dA,
+        dA.stride(0),
+        dA.stride(1),
+        expert_offsets,
+        M=DY.size(0),
+        K=K,
+        N=N,
+        ACTUAL_R=R,
+        BLOCK_R=BLOCK_R,
+        INNER_DIM=N,
+        scaling=scaling,
+        COMPUTE_DA=True,
+        ACC_TYPE=tl.float32,
+        allow_tf32=ALLOW_TF32,
+    )
+
+    def grid_dB(META):
+        return (E, triton.cdiv(N, META["BLOCK_DIM"]))
+
+    _group_bwd_lora_split[grid_dB](
         DY,
         DY.stride(0),
         DY.stride(1),
@@ -1383,12 +1899,6 @@ def group_bwd_lora(
         lora_A,
         lora_A.stride(0),
         lora_A.stride(1),
-        lora_B,
-        lora_B.stride(0),
-        lora_B.stride(1),
-        dA,
-        dA.stride(0),
-        dA.stride(1),
         dB,
         dB.stride(0),
         dB.stride(1),
@@ -1396,9 +1906,11 @@ def group_bwd_lora(
         M=DY.size(0),
         K=K,
         N=N,
-        ACTUAL_R=R,  # True LoRA rank
+        ACTUAL_R=R,
-        BLOCK_R=BLOCK_R,  # Padded tile size
+        BLOCK_R=BLOCK_R,
+        INNER_DIM=K,
         scaling=scaling,
+        COMPUTE_DA=False,
         ACC_TYPE=tl.float32,
         allow_tf32=ALLOW_TF32,
     )

src/axolotl/integrations/kernels/libs/scattermoe_lora/layers.py

@@ -489,20 +489,71 @@ class HFScatterMoEGatedMLP(nn.Module):
         # ====================================================================
         experts, gup_lora, down_lora = _unwrap_experts_lora(self.experts)
 
+        # ====================================================================
+        # Selective expert weight dequantization
+        # ====================================================================
+        # When experts are BnB-quantized (quantize_moe_experts), dequantize
+        # only the active experts instead of all E. This saves ~97% memory
+        # for the transient dequant buffer when few experts are active.
+        use_selective = (
+            getattr(self, "_use_selective_dequant", False)
+            and hasattr(experts, "parametrizations")
+            and "gate_up_proj" in experts.parametrizations
+        )
+
+        if use_selective:
+            from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.selective_dequant import (
+                get_active_experts,
+                remap_expert_indices,
+                selective_expert_weights,
+                selective_lora_weights,
+            )
+
+            active_experts = get_active_experts(sorted_expert_idxs, num_experts)
+            remapped_expert_idxs, compact_offsets = remap_expert_indices(
+                sorted_expert_idxs,
+                expert_offsets,
+                active_experts,
+                num_experts,
+            )
+            # Dequantize only active experts' weights
+            gate_up_W = selective_expert_weights(
+                experts,
+                "gate_up_proj",
+                active_experts,
+            ).transpose(2, 1)  # [num_active, hidden, 2*inter]
+
+            # Remap LoRA weights to match compact expert indices
+            if gup_lora is not None:
+                gup_A, gup_B, gup_scaling = gup_lora
+                gup_A, gup_B = selective_lora_weights(
+                    gup_A,
+                    gup_B,
+                    active_experts,
+                    num_experts,
+                )
+                gup_lora = (gup_A, gup_B, gup_scaling)
+
+            # Use remapped indices for ScatterMoE kernels
+            sei_gup = remapped_expert_idxs
+            eo_gup = compact_offsets
+        else:
+            gate_up_W = experts.gate_up_proj.transpose(2, 1)  # [E, hidden, 2*inter]
+            sei_gup = sorted_expert_idxs
+            eo_gup = expert_offsets
+
         # ====================================================================
         # Gate + Up projection
         # ====================================================================
-        gate_up_W = experts.gate_up_proj.transpose(2, 1)  # [E, hidden, 2*inter]
-
         if gup_lora is not None:
             gup_A, gup_B, gup_scaling = gup_lora
             gup = parallel_linear_lora(
                 hidden_states_flat,
                 gate_up_W,
                 top_k,
-                sorted_expert_idxs,
+                sei_gup,
                 sorted_scattered_idxs,
-                expert_offsets,
+                eo_gup,
                 lora_A=gup_A,
                 lora_B=gup_B,
                 scaling=gup_scaling,
@@ -516,9 +567,9 @@ class HFScatterMoEGatedMLP(nn.Module):
                 hidden_states_flat,
                 gate_up_W,
                 top_k,
-                sorted_expert_idxs,
+                sei_gup,
                 sorted_scattered_idxs,
-                expert_offsets,
+                eo_gup,
                 grouped_in=False,
                 grouped_out=True,
             )
@@ -529,7 +580,29 @@ class HFScatterMoEGatedMLP(nn.Module):
         # ====================================================================
         # Down projection
         # ====================================================================
-        down_W = experts.down_proj.transpose(2, 1)  # [E, inter, hidden]
+        if use_selective:
+            down_W = selective_expert_weights(
+                experts,
+                "down_proj",
+                active_experts,
+            ).transpose(2, 1)  # [num_active, inter, hidden]
+
+            if down_lora is not None:
+                down_A, down_B, down_scaling = down_lora
+                down_A, down_B = selective_lora_weights(
+                    down_A,
+                    down_B,
+                    active_experts,
+                    num_experts,
+                )
+                down_lora = (down_A, down_B, down_scaling)
+
+            sei_down = remapped_expert_idxs
+            eo_down = compact_offsets
+        else:
+            down_W = experts.down_proj.transpose(2, 1)  # [E, inter, hidden]
+            sei_down = sorted_expert_idxs
+            eo_down = expert_offsets
 
         if down_lora is not None:
             down_A, down_B, down_scaling = down_lora
@@ -537,9 +610,9 @@ class HFScatterMoEGatedMLP(nn.Module):
                 h,
                 down_W,
                 1,
-                sorted_expert_idxs,
+                sei_down,
                 sorted_scattered_idxs,
-                expert_offsets,
+                eo_down,
                 lora_A=down_A,
                 lora_B=down_B,
                 scaling=down_scaling,
@@ -554,9 +627,9 @@ class HFScatterMoEGatedMLP(nn.Module):
                 h,
                 down_W,
                 1,
-                sorted_expert_idxs,
+                sei_down,
                 sorted_scattered_idxs,
-                expert_offsets,
+                eo_down,
                 grouped_in=True,
                 grouped_out=False,
                 gates=routing_weights,

src/axolotl/integrations/kernels/libs/scattermoe_lora/selective_dequant.py

@@ -0,0 +1,282 @@
+"""
+Selective Expert Dequantization
+===============================
+
+Instead of dequantizing all E expert weight matrices at once (which creates
+a ~1 GB transient buffer for 256 experts), only dequantize the experts that
+are actually routed to by the current batch's top-k selection.
+
+For Qwen3.5-35B-A3B (E=256, top_k=8, hidden=2048, intermediate=512):
+  - Full dequant: [256, 2048, 1024] = 1,074 MB per projection
+  - Selective (8 active): [8, 2048, 1024] = 33.5 MB per projection
+  - Savings: ~97% memory reduction per layer
+
+This module provides format-agnostic selective weight extraction:
+  - BnB 4-bit (nf4/fp4): slice quantized data + absmax per expert
+  - bf16/fp32: direct indexing (no dequant needed)
+  - FP8: slice + cast
+
+The ScatterMoE kernel itself doesn't change — we remap expert indices
+from global (0..E-1) to compact (0..num_active-1) and pass the smaller
+weight tensor.
+"""
+
+import torch
+import torch.nn as nn
+
+
+def get_active_experts(sorted_expert_idxs: torch.Tensor, E: int) -> torch.Tensor:
+    """Get sorted unique expert indices from the routing output.
+
+    Args:
+        sorted_expert_idxs: Expert assignments sorted by expert id [T*k]
+        E: Total number of experts
+
+    Returns:
+        active: Sorted unique expert indices [num_active]
+    """
+    return torch.unique(sorted_expert_idxs)
+
+
+def remap_expert_indices(
+    sorted_expert_idxs: torch.Tensor,
+    expert_offsets: torch.Tensor,
+    active_experts: torch.Tensor,
+    E: int,
+) -> tuple[torch.Tensor, torch.Tensor]:
+    """Remap global expert indices to compact indices.
+
+    Maps expert ids from [0..E-1] to [0..num_active-1], preserving the
+    sort order. Also compacts expert_offsets to only active experts.
+
+    Args:
+        sorted_expert_idxs: [T*k] expert ids in sorted order
+        expert_offsets: [E] cumulative token counts (original)
+        active_experts: [num_active] sorted unique expert ids
+        E: Total number of experts
+
+    Returns:
+        remapped_idxs: [T*k] expert ids in [0..num_active-1]
+        compact_offsets: [num_active] cumulative token counts
+    """
+    # Build remap table: global_id -> compact_id
+    remap = torch.empty(E, dtype=torch.long, device=sorted_expert_idxs.device)
+    remap[active_experts] = torch.arange(
+        len(active_experts), device=sorted_expert_idxs.device
+    )
+
+    remapped_idxs = remap[sorted_expert_idxs]
+
+    # Compact the expert_offsets: only keep active experts' cumulative counts
+    compact_offsets = expert_offsets[active_experts]
+
+    return remapped_idxs, compact_offsets
+
+
+def _selective_dequant_bnb4(
+    raw_param: torch.Tensor,
+    quant_state,
+    active_experts: torch.Tensor,
+    expert_shape: tuple[int, int],
+) -> torch.Tensor:
+    """Dequantize only selected experts from BnB 4-bit packed data.
+
+    The raw parameter is a flattened 4-bit packed tensor. Each expert's
+    data is contiguous (stored in expert-major order), so we can gather
+    the packed data and absmax blocks for active experts, then dequantize
+    as one contiguous block.
+
+    Args:
+        raw_param: Flattened uint8 tensor of packed 4-bit weights
+        quant_state: BnB QuantState with absmax, blocksize, code, etc.
+        active_experts: [num_active] expert indices to dequantize
+        expert_shape: (dim1, dim2) shape per expert (e.g. (1024, 2048))
+
+    Returns:
+        Dequantized weights [num_active, dim1, dim2] in original dtype
+    """
+    import bitsandbytes.functional as F  # noqa: N812
+    from bitsandbytes.functional import QuantState
+
+    expert_numel = expert_shape[0] * expert_shape[1]
+    packed_per_expert = expert_numel // 2  # 4-bit = 2 values per byte
+    blocks_per_expert = expert_numel // quant_state.blocksize
+    num_active = len(active_experts)
+
+    if blocks_per_expert == 0:
+        # Expert is smaller than one quantization block — blocks span across
+        # expert boundaries, so per-expert slicing isn't possible.
+        # Fallback: full dequantize + index.
+        full = F.dequantize_4bit(raw_param, quant_state)
+        E_total = full.numel() // expert_numel
+        return full.reshape(E_total, *expert_shape)[active_experts]
+
+    # Use fused Triton kernel for NF4 (handles selective gather + dequant in one pass)
+    if quant_state.quant_type == "nf4" and raw_param.dtype == torch.uint8:
+        from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.selective_dequant_kernel import (
+            selective_dequant_nf4_triton,
+        )
+
+        # Handle nested (double) quantization: dequantize absmax first
+        # BnB uses dequantize_blockwise (not _4bit) for nested absmax + offset
+        if quant_state.nested:
+            absmax = F.dequantize_blockwise(quant_state.absmax, quant_state.state2)
+            absmax += quant_state.offset
+            if absmax.dtype != torch.float32:
+                absmax = absmax.float()
+        else:
+            absmax = quant_state.absmax
+
+        return selective_dequant_nf4_triton(
+            packed_data=raw_param,
+            absmax=absmax,
+            active_experts=active_experts,
+            expert_shape=expert_shape,
+            blocksize=quant_state.blocksize,
+            dtype=quant_state.dtype,
+            codebook=quant_state.code,
+        )
+
+    # Fallback: gather + BnB dequant (for fp4 or non-uint8 packed formats)
+    raw_flat = raw_param.reshape(-1)
+
+    offsets_qt = (
+        active_experts.long()[:, None] * packed_per_expert
+        + torch.arange(packed_per_expert, device=raw_param.device)[None, :]
+    ).reshape(-1)
+    qt_gathered = raw_flat[offsets_qt]
+
+    offsets_abs = (
+        active_experts.long()[:, None] * blocks_per_expert
+        + torch.arange(blocks_per_expert, device=raw_param.device)[None, :]
+    ).reshape(-1)
+
+    if quant_state.nested:
+        full_absmax = F.dequantize_blockwise(quant_state.absmax, quant_state.state2)
+        full_absmax += quant_state.offset
+        if full_absmax.dtype != torch.float32:
+            full_absmax = full_absmax.float()
+        absmax_gathered = full_absmax[offsets_abs]
+    else:
+        absmax_gathered = quant_state.absmax[offsets_abs]
+
+    qt_gathered = qt_gathered.unsqueeze(1) if qt_gathered.dim() == 1 else qt_gathered
+
+    gathered_qs = QuantState(
+        absmax=absmax_gathered,
+        shape=torch.Size([num_active * expert_numel]),
+        blocksize=quant_state.blocksize,
+        quant_type=quant_state.quant_type,
+        code=quant_state.code,
+        dtype=quant_state.dtype,
+    )
+
+    deq = F.dequantize_4bit(qt_gathered, gathered_qs)
+    return deq.reshape(num_active, *expert_shape)
+
+
+def _selective_index_dense(
+    param: torch.Tensor,
+    active_experts: torch.Tensor,
+) -> torch.Tensor:
+    """Select experts from a dense (bf16/fp32) weight tensor.
+
+    Simple indexing — no dequantization needed.
+    """
+    return param[active_experts]
+
+
+def selective_expert_weights(
+    experts_module: nn.Module,
+    param_name: str,
+    active_experts: torch.Tensor,
+) -> torch.Tensor:
+    """Extract and dequantize only the active experts' weights.
+
+    Format-agnostic: dispatches based on whether the parameter is
+    BnB 4-bit quantized (via parametrize), FP8, or dense bf16/fp32.
+
+    Args:
+        experts_module: The base experts module (e.g. Qwen3_5MoeExperts)
+        param_name: "gate_up_proj" or "down_proj"
+        active_experts: [num_active] sorted unique expert indices
+
+    Returns:
+        Compact weight tensor [num_active, dim1, dim2] ready for ScatterMoE
+    """
+    # Check if the parameter is BnB-quantized via parametrize
+    if (
+        hasattr(experts_module, "parametrizations")
+        and param_name in experts_module.parametrizations
+    ):
+        param_list = experts_module.parametrizations[param_name]
+        parametrization = param_list[0]
+
+        # BnB 4-bit parametrization
+        if hasattr(parametrization, "quant_state"):
+            # The raw quantized data is on the ParametrizationList, not the
+            # individual Bnb4bitParametrization module
+            raw_param = param_list.original
+            qs = parametrization.quant_state
+            # qs.shape is the original tensor shape before flattening.
+            # For MoE experts it's [E, d1, d2] (3D) or [total_elements] (1D).
+            orig_shape = qs.shape
+            if isinstance(orig_shape, torch.Size) and len(orig_shape) == 3:
+                expert_shape = (orig_shape[1], orig_shape[2])
+            elif isinstance(orig_shape, torch.Size) and len(orig_shape) == 1:
+                # Flattened — need to infer from module attributes
+                E_total = getattr(experts_module, "num_experts", None)
+                if E_total is None:
+                    E_total = int(active_experts.max().item()) + 1
+                expert_numel = orig_shape[0] // E_total
+                d2 = getattr(experts_module, "hidden_dim", None) or getattr(
+                    experts_module, "intermediate_dim", None
+                )
+                if d2 and expert_numel % d2 == 0:
+                    expert_shape = (expert_numel // d2, d2)
+                else:
+                    full = getattr(experts_module, param_name)
+                    return full[active_experts]
+            else:
+                full = getattr(experts_module, param_name)
+                return full[active_experts]
+
+            return _selective_dequant_bnb4(raw_param, qs, active_experts, expert_shape)
+
+    # Dense parameter (bf16/fp32) — direct indexing
+    param = getattr(experts_module, param_name)
+    if param.dim() == 3:
+        return param[active_experts]
+
+    # Fallback: full access
+    return param
+
+
+def selective_lora_weights(
+    lora_A: torch.Tensor,
+    lora_B: torch.Tensor,
+    active_experts: torch.Tensor,
+    E: int,
+) -> tuple[torch.Tensor, torch.Tensor]:
+    """Select LoRA A and B weights for only the active experts.
+
+    LoRA layout (scattermoe format):
+      A: [r*E, K] — expert e occupies rows [e*r : (e+1)*r]
+      B: [N, r*E] — expert e occupies cols [e*r : (e+1)*r]
+
+    Returns compact:
+      A: [r*num_active, K]
+      B: [N, r*num_active]
+    """
+    R = lora_A.size(0) // E
+
+    # Vectorized gather: active_experts[:, None] * R + arange(R)[None, :]
+    row_idx = (
+        active_experts.long()[:, None] * R
+        + torch.arange(R, device=lora_A.device)[None, :]
+    ).reshape(-1)
+
+    compact_A = lora_A[row_idx]  # [r*num_active, K]
+    compact_B = lora_B[:, row_idx]  # [N, r*num_active]
+
+    return compact_A, compact_B

src/axolotl/integrations/kernels/libs/scattermoe_lora/selective_dequant_kernel.py

@@ -0,0 +1,179 @@
+"""
+Triton kernel for fused selective expert gather + NF4 dequantization.
+
+Instead of:
+  1. Gather packed uint8 data for active experts (memory copy)
+  2. Gather absmax for active experts (memory copy)
+  3. Call BnB dequantize_4bit CUDA kernel
+
+This kernel does all three in one pass:
+  - Reads packed NF4 bytes from expert-strided positions
+  - Looks up the NF4 codebook
+  - Multiplies by the per-block absmax
+  - Writes bf16 output directly
+
+This eliminates the intermediate gather buffer entirely.
+"""
+
+import torch
+import triton
+import triton.language as tl
+
+# NF4 codebook (16 values, precomputed by BnB)
+# These are the normalized float4 reconstruction values
+NF4_CODEBOOK = [
+    -1.0,
+    -0.6961928009986877,
+    -0.5250730514526367,
+    -0.39491748809814453,
+    -0.28444138169288635,
+    -0.18477343022823334,
+    -0.09105003625154495,
+    0.0,
+    0.07958029955625534,
+    0.16093020141124725,
+    0.24611230194568634,
+    0.33791524171829224,
+    0.44070982933044434,
+    0.5626170039176941,
+    0.7229568362236023,
+    1.0,
+]
+
+
+@triton.jit
+def _selective_dequant_nf4_kernel(
+    # Input: packed NF4 data (flattened, expert-major order)
+    packed_ptr,
+    # Input: absmax values (flattened, expert-major order)
+    absmax_ptr,
+    # Input: active expert indices
+    active_experts_ptr,
+    # Input: NF4 codebook (16 float values)
+    codebook_ptr,
+    # Output: dequantized bf16 weights [num_active, expert_numel]
+    out_ptr,
+    stride_out_e,  # stride for expert dim in output
+    # Dimensions
+    num_active,
+    packed_per_expert,  # expert_numel // 2
+    blocks_per_expert,  # expert_numel // blocksize
+    blocksize: tl.constexpr,
+    # Tile size
+    BLOCK_SIZE: tl.constexpr,  # elements per thread block (must be multiple of 2)
+):
+    """
+    Each program processes BLOCK_SIZE elements from one expert.
+
+    Grid: (num_active, cdiv(expert_numel, BLOCK_SIZE))
+
+    For each output element:
+      1. Compute which byte in packed data contains this element
+      2. Extract the 4-bit nibble (high or low)
+      3. Look up in NF4 codebook
+      4. Scale by absmax for this block
+    """
+    expert_local_idx = tl.program_id(0)  # which active expert (0..num_active-1)
+    block_id = tl.program_id(1)  # which element block
+
+    # Load the global expert index
+    expert_global = tl.load(active_experts_ptr + expert_local_idx).to(tl.int64)
+
+    expert_numel = packed_per_expert * 2  # 2 elements per packed byte
+    elem_offset = block_id * BLOCK_SIZE + tl.arange(0, BLOCK_SIZE)
+    mask = elem_offset < expert_numel
+
+    # Each element is packed as: byte[i//2], low nibble for even i, high for odd i
+    byte_idx = elem_offset // 2
+    is_high = (elem_offset % 2) == 1
+
+    # Read packed bytes from the global expert's region
+    packed_global_offset = expert_global * packed_per_expert + byte_idx
+    packed_bytes = tl.load(packed_ptr + packed_global_offset, mask=mask, other=0).to(
+        tl.int32
+    )
+
+    # Extract 4-bit nibble
+    # BnB packing: high nibble = even element, low nibble = odd element
+    nibble = tl.where(is_high, packed_bytes & 0xF, (packed_bytes >> 4) & 0xF)
+
+    # NF4 codebook lookup
+    # Load all 16 codebook values (small, fits in registers)
+    # Use gather from codebook pointer
+    code_val = tl.load(codebook_ptr + nibble, mask=mask, other=0.0)
+
+    # Load absmax for this element's quantization block
+    block_idx = elem_offset // blocksize
+    absmax_global_offset = expert_global * blocks_per_expert + block_idx
+    absmax_val = tl.load(absmax_ptr + absmax_global_offset, mask=mask, other=1.0)
+
+    # Dequantize: value = codebook[nibble] * absmax
+    result = code_val * absmax_val
+
+    # Store to output
+    out_offset = expert_local_idx * stride_out_e + elem_offset
+    tl.store(out_ptr + out_offset, result.to(out_ptr.dtype.element_ty), mask=mask)
+
+
+def selective_dequant_nf4_triton(
+    packed_data: torch.Tensor,
+    absmax: torch.Tensor,
+    active_experts: torch.Tensor,
+    expert_shape: tuple[int, int],
+    blocksize: int,
+    dtype: torch.dtype = torch.bfloat16,
+    codebook: torch.Tensor | None = None,
+) -> torch.Tensor:
+    """Fused selective gather + NF4 dequantization via Triton kernel.
+
+    Args:
+        packed_data: Flattened packed NF4 data [total_packed] or [total_packed, 1]
+        absmax: Per-block scaling factors [total_blocks]
+        active_experts: Sorted indices of experts to dequantize [num_active]
+        expert_shape: (dim1, dim2) per expert
+        blocksize: Quantization block size
+        dtype: Output dtype (default bf16)
+        codebook: NF4 lookup table [16] (uses default NF4 codebook if None)
+
+    Returns:
+        Dequantized weights [num_active, dim1, dim2]
+    """
+    num_active = active_experts.shape[0]
+    expert_numel = expert_shape[0] * expert_shape[1]
+    packed_per_expert = expert_numel // 2
+    blocks_per_expert = expert_numel // blocksize
+
+    # Prepare codebook on device
+    if codebook is None:
+        codebook = torch.tensor(
+            NF4_CODEBOOK, dtype=torch.float32, device=packed_data.device
+        )
+    else:
+        codebook = codebook.to(device=packed_data.device, dtype=torch.float32)
+
+    # Flatten inputs
+    packed_flat = packed_data.reshape(-1)
+    absmax_flat = absmax.reshape(-1).float()  # absmax is usually fp32
+
+    # Output buffer
+    out = torch.empty(num_active, expert_numel, dtype=dtype, device=packed_data.device)
+
+    BLOCK_SIZE = 1024  # Process 1024 elements per thread block
+
+    grid = (num_active, triton.cdiv(expert_numel, BLOCK_SIZE))
+
+    _selective_dequant_nf4_kernel[grid](
+        packed_flat,
+        absmax_flat,
+        active_experts,
+        codebook,
+        out,
+        out.stride(0),
+        num_active=num_active,
+        packed_per_expert=packed_per_expert,
+        blocks_per_expert=blocks_per_expert,
+        blocksize=blocksize,
+        BLOCK_SIZE=BLOCK_SIZE,
+    )
+
+    return out.reshape(num_active, *expert_shape)

src/axolotl/integrations/kernels/plugin.py

@@ -61,7 +61,16 @@ class KernelsPlugin(BasePlugin):
         return "axolotl.integrations.kernels.KernelsArgs"
 
     def pre_model_load(self, cfg):
+        from axolotl.integrations.kernels.constants import SPARSE_MOE_BLOCK
+
+        # Prefer text backbone type for VLMs, but fall back to base type
+        # when the text type isn't in the supported mapping (e.g. qwen3_5_moe_text)
         moe_model_type = cfg.model_config_type_text or cfg.model_config_type
+        if (
+            moe_model_type not in SPARSE_MOE_BLOCK
+            and cfg.model_config_type in SPARSE_MOE_BLOCK
+        ):
+            moe_model_type = cfg.model_config_type
 
         if cfg.use_scattermoe:
             self._register_kernels()

src/axolotl/kernels/lora.py

@@ -640,7 +640,9 @@ class LoRA_QKV(torch.autograd.Function):
         del q_weight
         del q_weight_t
         if A_q is not None and B_q is not None:
-            grad_X.addmm_(q_grad, torch.mm(B_q_scaled, A_q_scaled))
+            # Stay decomposed: dQ @ B^T gives [T, R], then [T, R] @ (s*A) gives [T, in]
+            # This is 65x fewer FLOPs than materializing B@A into [out, in]
+            grad_X.addmm_(torch.mm(q_grad, B_q_scaled), A_q_scaled)
 
         # K path
         k_weight_t = dequantize(k_weight, k_quant)
@@ -648,7 +650,7 @@ class LoRA_QKV(torch.autograd.Function):
         del k_weight
         del k_weight_t
         if A_k is not None and B_k is not None:
-            grad_X.addmm_(k_grad, torch.mm(B_k_scaled, A_k_scaled))
+            grad_X.addmm_(torch.mm(k_grad, B_k_scaled), A_k_scaled)
 
         # V path
         v_weight_t = dequantize(v_weight, v_quant)
@@ -656,7 +658,7 @@ class LoRA_QKV(torch.autograd.Function):
         del v_weight
         del v_weight_t
         if A_v is not None and B_v is not None:
-            grad_X.addmm_(v_grad, torch.mm(B_v_scaled, A_v_scaled))
+            grad_X.addmm_(torch.mm(v_grad, B_v_scaled), A_v_scaled)
 
         # Transpose gradients if needed
         if d_A_q is not None:
@@ -819,7 +821,8 @@ class LoRA_O(torch.autograd.Function):
         del W
 
         A, B = A.to(dtype), B.to(dtype)
-        dX += s * dY @ B @ A
+        # Stay decomposed: dY @ B gives [T, R], then [T, R] @ A gives [T, in]
+        dX.addmm_(torch.mm(dY, B), A, alpha=s)
 
         # W, b, W_quant, A, B, s
         return dX.view(batch, seq_len, hd), None, None, None, d_A.t(), d_B.t(), None

src/axolotl/loaders/model.py

@@ -505,6 +505,20 @@ class ModelLoader:
         elif not is_ds_zero3:
             self.model_kwargs["device_map"] = device_map
 
+            # quantize_moe_experts quantizes expert weights on-the-fly during loading,
+            # so the actual VRAM usage is much less than bf16 estimates.
+            # When device_map is "auto", accelerate's infer_auto_device_map computes
+            # the device map at bf16 size (before quantization), causing it to offload
+            # layers to CPU, which BnB then rejects. Force single-GPU placement to
+            # prevent this. Only applies to the non-FSDP, non-ZeRO3 path (DDP/single).
+            if getattr(self.cfg, "quantize_moe_experts", False) and device_map in (
+                "auto",
+                None,
+            ):
+                self.model_kwargs["device_map"] = {
+                    "": int(os.environ.get("LOCAL_RANK", 0))
+                }
+
             cur_device = get_device_type()
             if "mps" in str(cur_device):
                 self.model_kwargs["device_map"] = "mps:0"

src/axolotl/monkeypatch/lora_kernels.py

@@ -51,6 +51,29 @@ QKV_PATCHES = [
     value_states = value_states.view(hidden_shape).transpose(1, 2)
 """.lstrip("\n"),
     ),
+    (
+        """
+    query_states, gate = torch.chunk(
+        self.q_proj(hidden_states).view(*input_shape, -1, self.head_dim * 2), 2, dim=-1
+    )
+    gate = gate.reshape(*input_shape, -1)
+
+    query_states = self.q_norm(query_states.view(hidden_shape)).transpose(1, 2)
+    key_states = self.k_norm(self.k_proj(hidden_states).view(hidden_shape)).transpose(1, 2)
+    value_states = self.v_proj(hidden_states).view(hidden_shape).transpose(1, 2)
+""".lstrip("\n"),
+        """
+    query_states, key_states, value_states = self.apply_qkv(hidden_states)
+    query_states, gate = torch.chunk(
+        query_states.view(*input_shape, -1, self.head_dim * 2), 2, dim=-1
+    )
+    gate = gate.reshape(*input_shape, -1)
+
+    query_states = self.q_norm(query_states.view(hidden_shape)).transpose(1, 2)
+    key_states = self.k_norm(key_states.view(hidden_shape)).transpose(1, 2)
+    value_states = value_states.view(hidden_shape).transpose(1, 2)
+""".lstrip("\n"),
+    ),
 ]
 
 ORIGINAL_O_CODE = """
@@ -299,6 +322,8 @@ def get_layers(model: PeftModelForCausalLM) -> list[nn.Module]:
     if hasattr(pretrained_model, "language_model"):
         return pretrained_model.language_model.layers
     if hasattr(pretrained_model, "model"):
+        if hasattr(pretrained_model.model, "language_model"):
+            return pretrained_model.model.language_model.layers
         return pretrained_model.model.layers
 
     raise NotImplementedError(

src/axolotl/utils/callbacks/profiler.py

@@ -17,6 +17,8 @@ from transformers import (
 class PytorchProfilerCallback(TrainerCallback):
     """
     PyTorch Profiler callback to create snapshots of GPU memory usage at specified steps.
+
+    Also runs torch.profiler to produce a Chrome trace for timing analysis.
     """
 
     def __init__(self, steps_to_profile: int = 5, profiler_steps_start: int = 0):
@@ -26,9 +28,10 @@ class PytorchProfilerCallback(TrainerCallback):
         if profiler_steps_start == 0:
             # start recording memory allocations before everything is allocated, because if we start
             # at the beginning of step 0, we won't have any memory allocations in the traces
-            torch.cuda.memory._record_memory_history(enabled="all")
+            torch.cuda.memory._record_memory_history(enabled="all", stacks="all")
             profiler_steps_start = -1
         self.profiler_steps_start = profiler_steps_start
+        self._profiler = None
 
     def on_step_begin(
         self,
@@ -38,7 +41,21 @@ class PytorchProfilerCallback(TrainerCallback):
         **kwargs,
     ):
         if state.global_step == self.profiler_steps_start:
-            torch.cuda.memory._record_memory_history(enabled="all")
+            torch.cuda.memory._record_memory_history(enabled="all", stacks="all")
+
+        # Start torch.profiler on the first profiled step
+        if state.global_step == max(self.profiler_steps_start, 0):
+            profiler = torch.profiler.profile(
+                activities=[
+                    torch.profiler.ProfilerActivity.CPU,
+                    torch.profiler.ProfilerActivity.CUDA,
+                ],
+                record_shapes=True,
+                profile_memory=True,
+                with_stack=True,
+            )
+            profiler.__enter__()
+            self._profiler = profiler
 
     def on_step_end(
         self,
@@ -55,6 +72,13 @@ class PytorchProfilerCallback(TrainerCallback):
             # tell CUDA to stop recording memory allocations now
             torch.cuda.memory._record_memory_history(enabled=None)
 
+            # Stop and export torch.profiler trace
+            if self._profiler is not None:
+                self._profiler.__exit__(None, None, None)
+                trace_path = Path(args.output_dir) / "profiler_trace.json"
+                self._profiler.export_chrome_trace(str(trace_path))
+                self._profiler = None
+
     def on_train_end(
         self,
         args: TrainingArguments,
@@ -73,3 +97,9 @@ class PytorchProfilerCallback(TrainerCallback):
 
             # tell CUDA to stop recording memory allocations now
             torch.cuda.memory._record_memory_history(enabled=None)
+
+        if self._profiler is not None:
+            self._profiler.__exit__(None, None, None)
+            trace_path = Path(args.output_dir) / "profiler_trace.json"
+            self._profiler.export_chrome_trace(str(trace_path))
+            self._profiler = None

tests/e2e/patched/test_lora_llama_multipack.py

@@ -4,8 +4,7 @@ E2E tests for lora llama
 
 import unittest
 
-import pytest
+from transformers.utils import is_torch_bf16_gpu_available
-from transformers.utils import is_auto_gptq_available, is_torch_bf16_gpu_available
 
 from axolotl.common.datasets import load_datasets
 from axolotl.train import train
@@ -68,51 +67,3 @@ class TestLoraLlama(unittest.TestCase):
 
         train(cfg=cfg, dataset_meta=dataset_meta)
         check_model_output_exists(temp_dir, cfg)
-
-    @pytest.mark.skipif(not is_auto_gptq_available(), reason="auto-gptq not available")
-    @with_temp_dir
-    def test_lora_gptq_packed(self, temp_dir):
-        cfg = DictDefault(
-            {
-                "base_model": "lilmeaty/SmolLM2-135M-Instruct-GPTQ",
-                "model_type": "AutoModelForCausalLM",
-                "tokenizer_type": "AutoTokenizer",
-                "sequence_len": 1024,
-                "sample_packing": True,
-                "flash_attention": True,
-                "load_in_8bit": True,
-                "adapter": "lora",
-                "gptq": True,
-                "gptq_disable_exllama": True,
-                "lora_r": 32,
-                "lora_alpha": 64,
-                "lora_dropout": 0.05,
-                "lora_target_linear": True,
-                "val_set_size": 0.02,
-                "special_tokens": {
-                    "pad_token": "<|endoftext|>",
-                },
-                "datasets": [
-                    {
-                        "path": "mhenrichsen/alpaca_2k_test",
-                        "type": "alpaca",
-                    },
-                ],
-                "num_epochs": 2,
-                "max_steps": 20,
-                "save_steps": 0.5,
-                "micro_batch_size": 8,
-                "gradient_accumulation_steps": 1,
-                "output_dir": temp_dir,
-                "learning_rate": 0.00001,
-                "optimizer": "adamw_torch_fused",
-                "lr_scheduler": "cosine",
-                "save_first_step": False,
-            }
-        )
-        cfg = validate_config(cfg)
-        normalize_config(cfg)
-        dataset_meta = load_datasets(cfg=cfg)
-
-        train(cfg=cfg, dataset_meta=dataset_meta)
-        check_model_output_exists(temp_dir, cfg)

tests/integrations/test_scattermoe_lora_kernels.py

@@ -0,0 +1,407 @@
+# SPDX-License-Identifier: Apache-2.0
+# Copyright (c) Axolotl AI
+# Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+
+"""
+Unit tests for ScatterMoE LoRA Triton kernels.
+
+Tests correctness of:
+  - scatter2scatter_lora (forward)
+  - scatter2scatter_lora_dX (backward input gradient)
+  - group_bwd_lora (backward LoRA weight gradients via split dA/dB)
+  - ScatterMoELoRA autograd function (full forward + backward)
+
+Each kernel is tested against a pure PyTorch per-expert-loop reference
+implementation at multiple model shapes and LoRA ranks.
+"""
+
+import pytest
+import torch
+
+from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.kernels import (
+    lora_ops,
+    ops as base_ops,
+)
+from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.parallel_experts import (
+    flatten_sort_count,
+)
+from axolotl.integrations.kernels.libs.scattermoe_lora.parallel_linear_lora import (
+    ScatterMoELoRA,
+)
+
+DEVICE = "cuda"
+DTYPE = torch.bfloat16
+
+
+def _requires_cuda():
+    return pytest.mark.skipif(
+        not torch.cuda.is_available(), reason="CUDA not available"
+    )
+
+
+pytestmark = _requires_cuda()
+
+
+# ─── Helpers ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+
+def _setup(E, K, N, T, top_k, R, seed=42):
+    """Create synthetic expert weights, LoRA, routing, and grouped inputs."""
+    torch.manual_seed(seed)
+    x = torch.randn(T, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+    W = torch.randn(E, K, N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE) * 0.02
+    lora_A = torch.randn(R * E, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE) * 0.01
+    lora_B = torch.randn(N, R * E, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE) * 0.01
+    logits = torch.randn(T, E, device=DEVICE)
+    _, top_idx = torch.topk(torch.softmax(logits, dim=-1), top_k, dim=-1)
+    sei, ssi, eo = flatten_sort_count(top_idx, E)
+    return x, W, lora_A, lora_B, sei, ssi, eo
+
+
+def _reference_fwd(x, W, sei, ssi, eo, k, lora_A, lora_B, scaling, E):
+    """Per-expert loop reference: Y = X@W + scaling*(X@A^T)@B^T."""
+    grouped_x = base_ops.group(x, ssi, fan_out=k)
+    M, N = grouped_x.size(0), W.size(2)
+    R = lora_A.size(0) // E
+    out = torch.zeros(M, N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+    for e in range(E):
+        s = eo[e - 1].item() if e > 0 else 0
+        end = eo[e].item()
+        if s == end:
+            continue
+        xe = grouped_x[s:end].float()
+        we = W[e].float()
+        ae = lora_A[e * R : (e + 1) * R].float()
+        be = lora_B[:, e * R : (e + 1) * R].float()
+        out[s:end] = (xe @ we + scaling * (xe @ ae.T) @ be.T).to(DTYPE)
+    result = torch.zeros(M, N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+    result[ssi] = out
+    return result
+
+
+def _reference_dX(dy_grouped, W, sei, ssi, eo, lora_A, lora_B, scaling, E):
+    """Per-expert loop reference: dX = dY@W^T + scaling*(dY@B)@A."""
+    M, K = dy_grouped.size(0), W.size(1)
+    R = lora_A.size(0) // E
+    out = torch.zeros(M, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+    for e in range(E):
+        s = eo[e - 1].item() if e > 0 else 0
+        end = eo[e].item()
+        if s == end:
+            continue
+        dye = dy_grouped[s:end].float()
+        we = W[e].float()
+        ae = lora_A[e * R : (e + 1) * R].float()
+        be = lora_B[:, e * R : (e + 1) * R].float()
+        out[s:end] = (dye @ we.T + scaling * (dye @ be) @ ae).to(DTYPE)
+    result = torch.zeros(M, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+    result[ssi] = out
+    return result
+
+
+def _reference_bwd_lora(dy, grouped_x, lora_A, lora_B, eo, E, scaling):
+    """Per-expert loop reference: dA, dB for LoRA weight gradients."""
+    R = lora_A.size(0) // E
+    dA = torch.zeros_like(lora_A)
+    dB = torch.zeros_like(lora_B)
+    for e in range(E):
+        s = eo[e - 1].item() if e > 0 else 0
+        end = eo[e].item()
+        if s == end:
+            continue
+        xe = grouped_x[s:end].float()
+        dye = dy[s:end].float()
+        ae = lora_A[e * R : (e + 1) * R].float()
+        be = lora_B[:, e * R : (e + 1) * R].float()
+        dA[e * R : (e + 1) * R] = (scaling * (dye @ be).T @ xe).to(DTYPE)
+        dB[:, e * R : (e + 1) * R] = (scaling * dye.T @ (xe @ ae.T)).to(DTYPE)
+    return dA, dB
+
+
+# ─── Model shape configs ────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+# (E, K, N, T, top_k, R, description)
+CONFIGS_SMALL = [
+    (32, 128, 64, 64, 2, 4, "tiny"),
+    (64, 256, 128, 128, 4, 8, "small"),
+]
+
+CONFIGS_REAL = [
+    (256, 2048, 1024, 2048, 8, 16, "qwen35_gate_up"),
+    (256, 512, 2048, 2048, 8, 16, "qwen35_down"),
+    (64, 2048, 2048, 2048, 8, 16, "olmoe_gate_up"),
+    (128, 2048, 1536, 2048, 8, 16, "qwen3_gate_up"),
+]
+
+SCALING = 2.0
+
+
+# ─── Forward tests ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+
+class TestScatter2ScatterLoRAForward:
+    """Test scatter2scatter_lora forward kernel vs reference."""
+
+    @pytest.fixture(params=CONFIGS_SMALL + CONFIGS_REAL)
+    def config(self, request):
+        return request.param
+
+    def test_matches_reference(self, config):
+        E, K, N, T, k, R, desc = config
+        x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo = _setup(E, K, N, T, k, R)
+
+        kernel_out = lora_ops.scatter2scatter_lora(
+            X=x,
+            W=W,
+            sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+            sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+            k=k,
+            lora_A=lA,
+            lora_B=lB,
+            scaling=SCALING,
+        )
+        ref_out = _reference_fwd(x, W, sei, ssi, eo, k, lA, lB, SCALING, E)
+
+        err = (kernel_out.float() - ref_out.float()).abs().max().item()
+        assert err < 1.0, f"[{desc}] fwd max_err={err}"
+
+    def test_output_shape(self, config):
+        E, K, N, T, k, R, desc = config
+        x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo = _setup(E, K, N, T, k, R)
+
+        out = lora_ops.scatter2scatter_lora(
+            X=x,
+            W=W,
+            sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+            sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+            k=k,
+            lora_A=lA,
+            lora_B=lB,
+            scaling=SCALING,
+        )
+        assert out.shape == (T * k, N)
+        assert out.dtype == DTYPE
+
+
+# ─── Backward dX tests ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+
+class TestScatter2ScatterLoRADX:
+    """Test scatter2scatter_lora_dX backward kernel vs reference."""
+
+    @pytest.fixture(params=CONFIGS_SMALL + CONFIGS_REAL)
+    def config(self, request):
+        return request.param
+
+    def test_matches_reference(self, config):
+        E, K, N, T, k, R, desc = config
+        x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo = _setup(E, K, N, T, k, R)
+        gx = base_ops.group(x, ssi, fan_out=k)
+        dy = torch.randn(gx.size(0), N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+
+        kernel_dx = lora_ops.scatter2scatter_lora_dX(
+            DY=dy,
+            W=W,
+            sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+            sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+            k=1,
+            lora_A=lA,
+            lora_B=lB,
+            scaling=SCALING,
+            dy_grouped=True,
+            dx_grouped=False,
+        )
+        ref_dx = _reference_dX(dy, W, sei, ssi, eo, lA, lB, SCALING, E)
+
+        err = (kernel_dx.float() - ref_dx.float()).abs().max().item()
+        assert err < 1.0, f"[{desc}] dX max_err={err}"
+
+
+# ─── Backward LoRA gradient tests ───────────────────────────────────────────
+
+
+class TestGroupBwdLoRA:
+    """Test group_bwd_lora (split dA/dB kernel) vs reference."""
+
+    @pytest.fixture(params=CONFIGS_SMALL + CONFIGS_REAL)
+    def config(self, request):
+        return request.param
+
+    def test_matches_reference(self, config):
+        E, K, N, T, k, R, desc = config
+        x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo = _setup(E, K, N, T, k, R)
+        gx = base_ops.group(x, ssi, fan_out=k)
+        dy = torch.randn(gx.size(0), N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+
+        kern_dA, kern_dB = lora_ops.group_bwd_lora(
+            DY=dy,
+            X=gx,
+            lora_A=lA,
+            lora_B=lB,
+            expert_offsets=eo,
+            E=E,
+            scaling=SCALING,
+        )
+        ref_dA, ref_dB = _reference_bwd_lora(dy, gx, lA, lB, eo, E, SCALING)
+
+        # Use norm-relative error: bf16 accumulation order differs between
+        # kernel (tiled + different reduction order) and reference (per-expert
+        # fp32 loop), so max absolute error can be large on individual elements
+        # while the overall tensor is correct.
+        dA_norm_err = (
+            (kern_dA.float() - ref_dA.float()).norm() / (ref_dA.float().norm() + 1e-6)
+        ).item()
+        dB_norm_err = (
+            (kern_dB.float() - ref_dB.float()).norm() / (ref_dB.float().norm() + 1e-6)
+        ).item()
+        assert dA_norm_err < 0.01, f"[{desc}] dA norm_rel_err={dA_norm_err}"
+        assert dB_norm_err < 0.01, f"[{desc}] dB norm_rel_err={dB_norm_err}"
+
+    def test_zero_expert_tokens(self):
+        """Experts with zero routed tokens produce zero gradients."""
+        E, K, N, R = 8, 64, 32, 4
+        torch.manual_seed(42)
+        # Route all tokens to expert 0 only
+        T, k = 16, 1
+        top_idx = torch.zeros(T, k, dtype=torch.long, device=DEVICE)
+        sei, ssi, eo = flatten_sort_count(top_idx, E)
+        gx = torch.randn(T, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+        dy = torch.randn(T, N, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+        lA = torch.randn(R * E, K, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+        lB = torch.randn(N, R * E, device=DEVICE, dtype=DTYPE)
+
+        dA, dB = lora_ops.group_bwd_lora(
+            DY=dy,
+            X=gx,
+            lora_A=lA,
+            lora_B=lB,
+            expert_offsets=eo,
+            E=E,
+            scaling=2.0,
+        )
+
+        # Experts 1..7 should have zero gradients
+        for e in range(1, E):
+            assert dA[e * R : (e + 1) * R].abs().max() == 0, f"Expert {e} dA not zero"
+            assert dB[:, e * R : (e + 1) * R].abs().max() == 0, (
+                f"Expert {e} dB not zero"
+            )
+
+
+# ─── Full autograd tests ────────────────────────────────────────────────────
+
+
+class TestScatterMoELoRAAutograd:
+    """Test full forward + backward through ScatterMoELoRA autograd function."""
+
+    @pytest.fixture(params=CONFIGS_SMALL + CONFIGS_REAL[:2])
+    def config(self, request):
+        return request.param
+
+    def test_gradients_exist_and_finite(self, config):
+        E, K, N, T, k, R, desc = config
+        x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo = _setup(E, K, N, T, k, R)
+
+        x = x.requires_grad_(True)
+        lA = lA.requires_grad_(True)
+        lB = lB.requires_grad_(True)
+
+        out = ScatterMoELoRA.apply(
+            x,
+            W,
+            k,
+            sei,
+            ssi,
+            eo,
+            lA,
+            lB,
+            SCALING,
+            None,
+            None,
+            False,
+            False,
+            True,
+            False,
+        )
+        out.sum().backward()
+
+        assert x.grad is not None, f"[{desc}] x.grad is None"
+        assert lA.grad is not None, f"[{desc}] lA.grad is None"
+        assert lB.grad is not None, f"[{desc}] lB.grad is None"
+        assert torch.isfinite(x.grad).all(), f"[{desc}] x.grad has non-finite"
+        assert torch.isfinite(lA.grad).all(), f"[{desc}] lA.grad has non-finite"
+        assert torch.isfinite(lB.grad).all(), f"[{desc}] lB.grad has non-finite"
+        assert x.grad.abs().sum() > 0, f"[{desc}] x.grad all zero"
+        assert lA.grad.abs().sum() > 0, f"[{desc}] lA.grad all zero"
+
+    def test_split_matches_fused(self):
+        """Split dispatch (for few large experts) matches fused kernel."""
+        # Use a shape where split would be dispatched (large K*N, few E)
+        E, K, N, T, k, R = 8, 512, 1024, 128, 2, 16
+        x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo = _setup(E, K, N, T, k, R)
+
+        # Force fused path
+        orig = lora_ops._SPLIT_LORA_FWD_THRESHOLD
+        lora_ops._SPLIT_LORA_FWD_THRESHOLD = 10**18
+        out_fused = lora_ops.scatter2scatter_lora(
+            X=x,
+            W=W,
+            sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+            sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+            k=k,
+            lora_A=lA,
+            lora_B=lB,
+            scaling=SCALING,
+        )
+
+        # Force split path
+        lora_ops._SPLIT_LORA_FWD_THRESHOLD = 0
+        out_split = lora_ops.scatter2scatter_lora(
+            X=x,
+            W=W,
+            sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+            sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+            k=k,
+            lora_A=lA,
+            lora_B=lB,
+            scaling=SCALING,
+        )
+        lora_ops._SPLIT_LORA_FWD_THRESHOLD = orig
+
+        norm_err = (
+            (out_fused.float() - out_split.float()).norm()
+            / (out_fused.float().norm() + 1e-6)
+        ).item()
+        assert norm_err < 0.01, f"split vs fused norm_err={norm_err}"
+
+    def test_scaling_zero_gives_base_only(self):
+        """With scaling=0.0, LoRA contribution vanishes. Output = X@W."""
+        E, K, N, T, k, R = 16, 64, 32, 32, 2, 4
+        x, W, lA, lB, sei, ssi, eo = _setup(E, K, N, T, k, R)
+
+        out_lora = ScatterMoELoRA.apply(
+            x,
+            W,
+            k,
+            sei,
+            ssi,
+            eo,
+            lA,
+            lB,
+            0.0,
+            None,
+            None,
+            False,
+            False,
+            True,
+            False,
+        )
+        out_base = base_ops.scatter2scatter(
+            X=x,
+            W=W,
+            sorted_expert_idxs=sei,
+            sorted_scattered_idxs=ssi,
+            k=k,
+        )
+        err = (out_lora.float() - out_base.float()).abs().max().item()
+        assert err < 0.01, f"scaling=0 should match base: err={err}"