diff --git a/docs/optimizers.md b/docs/optimizers.md
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..8d45d5f2f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/docs/optimizers.md
@@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
+# Optimizers
+
+Optimizers are an important component when training LLMs. Optimizers are responsible for updating the model's weights (parameters) based on the gradients computed during backpropagation.
+The goal of an optimizer is to minimize the loss function.
+
+### Adam/AdamW Optimizers
+
+```yaml
+adam_beta1: 0.9
+adam_beta2: 0.999
+adam_epsilon: 1e-8
+weight_decay: 0.0
+```
+
+### GaLore Optimizer
+
+https://huggingface.co/papers/2403.03507
+
+```yaml
+optimizer: galore_adamw | galore_adamw_8bit | galore_adafactor
+optim_args:
+  rank: 128
+  update_proj_gap: 200
+  scale: 0.25
+  proj_type: std
+optim_target_modules:
+  - mlp
+  - attn
+```
diff --git a/requirements.txt b/requirements.txt
index aaa27c547..6a5491d38 100644
--- a/requirements.txt
+++ b/requirements.txt
@@ -41,3 +41,5 @@ gcsfs
 
 trl @ git+https://github.com/huggingface/trl.git@304e208f778a5442c30cdda500348226cdc97d90
 fastcore>=1.5.29
+
+lpmm @ git+https://github.com/thu-ml/low-bit-optimizers.git@main
diff --git a/src/axolotl/core/trainer_builder.py b/src/axolotl/core/trainer_builder.py
index b23a8a124..d52ac7b07 100644
--- a/src/axolotl/core/trainer_builder.py
+++ b/src/axolotl/core/trainer_builder.py
@@ -15,8 +15,9 @@ from collections import defaultdict
 from dataclasses import dataclass, field
 from functools import wraps
 from pathlib import Path
-from typing import Dict, List, Literal, Optional, Type, Union
+from typing import Any, Dict, List, Literal, Optional, Tuple, Type, Union
 
+import lpmm
 import torch
 import transformers
 from accelerate import FullyShardedDataParallelPlugin
@@ -27,6 +28,7 @@ from torch.optim.lr_scheduler import OneCycleLR
 from torch.utils.data import BatchSampler, DataLoader, RandomSampler, SequentialSampler
 from transformers import (
     EarlyStoppingCallback,
+    PreTrainedModel,
     Trainer,
     TrainerCallback,
     TrainingArguments,
@@ -36,6 +38,7 @@ from transformers.utils import is_sagemaker_mp_enabled
 from trl import DPOTrainer
 
 from axolotl.core.policies.auto_wrap import get_wrapping_policy_factory
+from axolotl.core.trainers import OptimizerNames
 from axolotl.loraplus import create_loraplus_optimizer
 from axolotl.monkeypatch.multipack import SUPPORTED_MULTIPACK_MODEL_TYPES
 from axolotl.monkeypatch.relora import ReLoRACallback, ReLoRAScheduler
@@ -62,6 +65,9 @@ from axolotl.utils.schedulers import (
     get_cosine_schedule_with_warmup_decay_constant,
 )
 
+# monkeypatch so it accepts our custom optimizers
+transformers.training_args.OptimizerNames = OptimizerNames
+
 if is_sagemaker_mp_enabled():
     import smdistributed.modelparallel.torch as smp
 
@@ -231,6 +237,38 @@ class AxolotlTrainer(Trainer):
         if self.args.orpo_alpha:
             self.loss_fct = torch.nn.CrossEntropyLoss(reduction="none")
 
+    @staticmethod
+    def get_optimizer_cls_and_kwargs(
+        args: TrainingArguments, model: Optional[PreTrainedModel] = None
+    ) -> Tuple[Any, Any]:
+        optim_args = {}
+        if args.optim_args:
+            for mapping in args.optim_args.replace(" ", "").split(","):
+                key, value = mapping.split("=")
+                optim_args[key] = value
+
+        optimizer_kwargs = {"lr": args.learning_rate}
+
+        adam_kwargs = {
+            "betas": (args.adam_beta1, args.adam_beta2),
+            "eps": args.adam_epsilon,
+        }
+
+        if args.optim in [
+            OptimizerNames.LPMM_ADAMW_4BIT,
+            OptimizerNames.LPMM_ADAMW_4BIT_FUSED,
+        ]:
+            optimizer_cls = lpmm.optim.AdamW
+            optimizer_kwargs.update(adam_kwargs)
+            if args.optim == OptimizerNames.LPMM_ADAMW_4BIT_FUSED:
+                optimizer_kwargs.update({"fused": True})
+            return optimizer_cls, optimizer_kwargs
+
+        return Trainer.get_optimizer_cls_and_kwargs(
+            args,
+            model=model,
+        )
+
     def create_optimizer(self):
         if self.args.loraplus_lr_ratio is None:
             return super().create_optimizer()
diff --git a/src/axolotl/core/trainers/__init__.py b/src/axolotl/core/trainers/__init__.py
index e69de29bb..504990fec 100644
--- a/src/axolotl/core/trainers/__init__.py
+++ b/src/axolotl/core/trainers/__init__.py
@@ -0,0 +1,40 @@
+"""module for trainer helpers like OptimizerNames"""
+
+from transformers.utils import ExplicitEnum
+
+
+class OptimizerNames(ExplicitEnum):
+    """
+    Stores the acceptable string identifiers for optimizers.
+    """
+
+    ADAMW_HF = "adamw_hf"
+    ADAMW_TORCH = "adamw_torch"
+    ADAMW_TORCH_FUSED = "adamw_torch_fused"
+    ADAMW_TORCH_XLA = "adamw_torch_xla"
+    ADAMW_TORCH_NPU_FUSED = "adamw_torch_npu_fused"
+    ADAMW_APEX_FUSED = "adamw_apex_fused"
+    ADAFACTOR = "adafactor"
+    ADAMW_ANYPRECISION = "adamw_anyprecision"
+    SGD = "sgd"
+    ADAGRAD = "adagrad"
+    ADAMW_BNB = "adamw_bnb_8bit"
+    ADAMW_8BIT = "adamw_8bit"  # just an alias for adamw_bnb_8bit
+    LION_8BIT = "lion_8bit"
+    LION = "lion_32bit"
+    PAGED_ADAMW = "paged_adamw_32bit"
+    PAGED_ADAMW_8BIT = "paged_adamw_8bit"
+    PAGED_LION = "paged_lion_32bit"
+    PAGED_LION_8BIT = "paged_lion_8bit"
+    RMSPROP = "rmsprop"
+    RMSPROP_BNB = "rmsprop_bnb"
+    RMSPROP_8BIT = "rmsprop_bnb_8bit"
+    RMSPROP_32BIT = "rmsprop_bnb_32bit"
+    GALORE_ADAMW = "galore_adamw"
+    GALORE_ADAMW_8BIT = "galore_adamw_8bit"
+    GALORE_ADAFACTOR = "galore_adafactor"
+    GALORE_ADAMW_LAYERWISE = "galore_adamw_layerwise"
+    GALORE_ADAMW_8BIT_LAYERWISE = "galore_adamw_8bit_layerwise"
+    GALORE_ADAFACTOR_LAYERWISE = "galore_adafactor_layerwise"
+    LPMM_ADAMW_4BIT = "lmpp_adamw_4bit"
+    LPMM_ADAMW_4BIT_FUSED = "lmpp_adamw_4bit_fused"